Severing ties with the US can take more than a year and cost thousands of dollars. But Paul, Ella, Margot and thousands of others feel they have no choice
There’s a lot I didn’t know about the process. It’d be interesting to get the view of US members of this community.
I know many privileged people are fleeing. but so do people in genuine danger, trans, bipoc… They aren’t here to be your personal shield. If the country is so fucked up an ally would help them, keep them safe, help them flee, and welcome them back after.
Otherwise you just see those minorities as human shields, as hate padding so the problems won’t reach you. You are the reason they have to flee.
If they were MY ally they’d stay and fight. They aren’t. They never have been.
If you leave, you have left and are not welcome back. I’ll be no ally to anyone who won’t turn and fight alongside me. Those fleeing intend to use me as a meat shield.
If there are vulnerable people at risk of violence, and you’re privileged enough not to be in danger, then you should be that human shield. Otherwise you aren’t an ally, and then expect those most at risk to risk themselves further to protect you.
Let’s be clear here: We’re talking about fighting fascism. Nobody is privileged enough to not be in danger under fascism. Nobody. Not the conscientious objectors, not the "but I voted for you"s, not the dictators inner circle, not school girls in another hemisphere.
I don’t have time to bicker about who is farther up their “others to exterminate” list. This ain’t the oppression olympics, it’s World War 3. To everyone but LGBTQ, allyhood is mutual.
No. No they could not return. I will fight them. The United States of America is the home of the brave. Cowards are not welcome here. If you’re not willing to fight for America, why would I ever let you return? What use do I have for such fair weather friends? To those who flee: Good riddance to bad rubbish.
From this conversation, you are the rubbish that makes people flee for their safety.
Minorities fearing for their safety aren’t your pawns. you’re a bigot, the racists kind. the kind that says to refugees fleeing for their lives to go back to where they come from, while ignoring it is thanks to voters like you that they have to flee.
When foreigners apply to become naturalized as American citizens, they are required to take the following oath:
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
We have a domestic enemy from whom to defend the constitution. Anyone who refuses that fight, instead renouncing their citizenship and fleeing, proves for all time they are unworthy to take this oath, and thus unworthy of citizenship.
That oath means ziltch, as they are made to do so under duress. “SAY THIS WE WILL WITHHOLD RIGHTS AND BENEFITS FROM YOU AND RISK REMOVING YOU FROM YOUR HOME AND COMMUNITY”. So it does not count as an “oath”, and everyone else in this country has not made it anyways.
This state has betrayed the people who need to flee. Why the fuck do they owe that state? A state that objectively treated them like shit. Did it provide healthcare? a good education? Justice? and now it actively tries to hurt them?
They do not owe us shit. especially you. I wish they were safe here, but because that wish has been denied already, I wish their escape is as safe and easy as possible. And then I wish things get better so they could return to their communities.
I know many privileged people are fleeing. but so do people in genuine danger, trans, bipoc… They aren’t here to be your personal shield. If the country is so fucked up an ally would help them, keep them safe, help them flee, and welcome them back after.
Otherwise you just see those minorities as human shields, as hate padding so the problems won’t reach you. You are the reason they have to flee.
If they were MY ally they’d stay and fight. They aren’t. They never have been.
If you leave, you have left and are not welcome back. I’ll be no ally to anyone who won’t turn and fight alongside me. Those fleeing intend to use me as a meat shield.
Those fleeing intend not to be your human shield.
If there are vulnerable people at risk of violence, and you’re privileged enough not to be in danger, then you should be that human shield. Otherwise you aren’t an ally, and then expect those most at risk to risk themselves further to protect you.
Let’s be clear here: We’re talking about fighting fascism. Nobody is privileged enough to not be in danger under fascism. Nobody. Not the conscientious objectors, not the "but I voted for you"s, not the dictators inner circle, not school girls in another hemisphere.
I don’t have time to bicker about who is farther up their “others to exterminate” list. This ain’t the oppression olympics, it’s World War 3. To everyone but LGBTQ, allyhood is mutual.
You seem to expect and even demand that affected minorities stay and protect your comfort.
This country failed them, they fear for their safety and even lives. and you’re upset they aren’t staying to fix it?
It isn’t a “oppression Olympics” it is people fleeing for their safety. And maybe when we fix things, they could return.
No. No they could not return. I will fight them. The United States of America is the home of the brave. Cowards are not welcome here. If you’re not willing to fight for America, why would I ever let you return? What use do I have for such fair weather friends? To those who flee: Good riddance to bad rubbish.
From this conversation, you are the rubbish that makes people flee for their safety.
Minorities fearing for their safety aren’t your pawns. you’re a bigot, the racists kind. the kind that says to refugees fleeing for their lives to go back to where they come from, while ignoring it is thanks to voters like you that they have to flee.
When foreigners apply to become naturalized as American citizens, they are required to take the following oath:
We have a domestic enemy from whom to defend the constitution. Anyone who refuses that fight, instead renouncing their citizenship and fleeing, proves for all time they are unworthy to take this oath, and thus unworthy of citizenship.
Those who leave shall not be permitted to return.
That oath means ziltch, as they are made to do so under duress. “SAY THIS WE WILL WITHHOLD RIGHTS AND BENEFITS FROM YOU AND RISK REMOVING YOU FROM YOUR HOME AND COMMUNITY”. So it does not count as an “oath”, and everyone else in this country has not made it anyways.
This state has betrayed the people who need to flee. Why the fuck do they owe that state? A state that objectively treated them like shit. Did it provide healthcare? a good education? Justice? and now it actively tries to hurt them?
They do not owe us shit. especially you. I wish they were safe here, but because that wish has been denied already, I wish their escape is as safe and easy as possible. And then I wish things get better so they could return to their communities.