shaken down by Proton to pay even more money

What are you paying for currently?

This didn’t sound bad? Tell me why it’s bad. How much money did Trump make on this deal?

What do you mean “require”? My workplace says we need Chrome but I’ve used other browsers and never had a problem. It’s just one of those lazy “you’ll have the best experience if you use Chrome” BS because they can’t be bothered to validate or diagnose anything else.

Why not just use a browser that doesn’t have that stuff in the first place?

Yeah that only works if you have an Apple device signed into your account and in front of you. Aren’t walled gardens fun?

Name a software they are allowing to exist that provides easy access to a repository of copyrighted media files.

Shit, where do I start:

• NewPipe

• FreeTube

• GrayJay

• Seal

• Stacher

• SimpMusic

• AudioTube

• Pipeline

• Parabolic

• Revanced

Should I go on?

We were discussing both.

Not in that sentence, and you know it. You’re just arguing in bad faith now.

From a particular server.

Doesn’t matter.

I no longer believe you’re interested in an honest discussion so I’m gonna stop wasting my time.

Neat trick.

Not a trick. What you were saying did not reflect my statements, so I adjusted it so that it did while still getting the point across.

Agree to disagree with copyright law then.

Law is not a matter of agreement, it is a matter of fact. Do you really think Google and Spotify would allow these software to exist if it were illegal?

Again, the bandwidth ramifications are dramatically different. Keep up.

We were not discussing bandwidth, we were discussing legality. It’s literally in the previous sentence. Keep up.

You do realize that strengthens my point that it already exists

LOL what? No, it’s just the opposite. Your point is about the playback of local music and the discussion at hand is about streaming remote music. You’re saying the software is illegal. The fact that it still exists, and has for many years suggests that it’s actually not.

The assumption is that someone will come along and develop a frontend that ravages their bandwidth? provides convenient access to the hosted files.

Of course they will.

Providing access to copyrighted content without a license is indeed illegal.

No it is not. If it was, these apps would be gone as soon as they went up. Shit, if that was the case your browser would be illegal. Hosting the files is illegal, and I said said before, I’m not sure how AA gets away with that.

But we’re explicitly not talking about torrenting.

LOL we’re talking about software that facilitates access to copyrighted content. It doesn’t matter if it’s torrented or not. Is that why you seem confused?

then we’re back to my original comment about how music players already exist.

You do realize you can stream torrent files?

Only if the assumption

The assumption is that it will be, regardless of intent. Saying otherwise is absurd.

And YouTube and Spotify target that software legally wherever they feel they are being harmed by it.

They do what they can but they don’t go anywhere because they’re not illegal. Not say to anything of actual torrenting software like qbittorrent or Stremio that have been around for years.

Apparently these sites missing a “reject all” button aren’t legal. I filed a complaint. If you come across these, you should too:

https://privacy.ca.gov/submit-a-complaint/ccpa-complaints/

If their bandwidth spins out of control, they can just pull the torrent

I mean sure. But then it all would have been for nothing. I don’t think they’re that dumb.

The Law? They can compel whoever is hosting the frontend to take it down

On what grounds? It’s just software. It’s not doing anything illegal. Lots of software like this already exists for YouTube and Spotify.

Not really, no.

LOL yes.

That’s not true.

It is.

not sure how that applies to what I said though.

Because if the files are hosted, they can be streamed. And they’re going to be hosted. They can’t control that.

Why would they account for someone developing a tool to slurp up their bandwidth?

Because it’s an inevitable reality?

I would guess we never find out because no one is ever going to make such an app, for all the reasons I listed.

The reasons you listed specified why AA cannot or should not host the files. But that is not in question. They have said they are hosting the files. They have nothing to do with why anyone anyone else cannot or should not create an app to stream those files.

It’s another thing entirely to offer up a nice frontend for everyone to play files from that torrent.

The content will be there whether people are streaming it or not. When OP said “anyone”, they were not necessarily referring to AA.

the traffic costs will inflate dramatically.

I imagine they considered this before they acquired the content.

They can host what they have currently because it’s low-profile enough that it doesn’t make waves.

The question is not whether or not they will be hosting the files. They have already said they will. So that’s neither here nor there.

It’s made waves several times. Including the time Meta scraped all the books from it.

That will not be true if my mom can roll up and easily pirate her favorite songs.

Guess we’re going to find out!

Then it’s not an odd question. Spotify is the frontend for Spotify, not Anna’s Archive. Local playback is different from streaming. And the content is already hosted somewhere (or will be soon).

Anna’s Archive is a site for downloading pirated material. They already host a bunch of pirated books and other media. Don’t ask me how they get away with it.

Recently they pirated the entirety of Spotify library. OP is asking for a frontend to stream that library.

Xbox

Yeah, I tried Cachy previously on my desktop and it was honestly an awful experience. But not really anything to do with the DE(s).

Exactly. I’d like to opt out right now. I already opted out.

This is a crazy problem. Even Apple requires you to use SMS 2FA, and does not let you opt out or use any alternatives.

My employer uses this as well and I was locked out (couldn’t do any work) for an entire day because their SMS messages were not being delivered.

As a side note, Apple is also the only platform I’ve ever used that requires you to type your password in without seeing it, which makes using an actually-secure-password really fucking difficult.

Hmm. Imagine what it would do to the advertising industry if this was distributed maliciously…