• SuperDuper@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    That’s a good point, but let me offer this as a counterargument: Mammon demands that we offer up the planet and all living species at the sacrificial altar of capitalism and he shall not be denied

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    While this is technically true, we wouldn’t be such a strain on the ecosystem if we didn’t consume so much per person.

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      I think the per-person metric is a poor metric when talking about damaging consumption.

      Yes, we can all lower our standards of living in developed countries and also transition to more communal transport and utility systems (you can do this right now, within your means and comfort), but a very large portion (a majority I think, in fact) of the human race have standards of living that arguably are so low that they should be raised.

      This metric also completely misses the exponentially higher amount of devastation caused directly from mass production consumerist capitalism. Shifting to economic systems which make only what is reasonable while also not denying those in need would likely be the biggest move towards sustainability.

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      I’m not burning down the amazon so I can make more money on palm oil.

      There is such a thing as “supply and demand” , but consumerist culture originates from the top, not the bottom.

    • Isn’t that exactly what is said? The growth of people x consumption is finite and there needs to be a system change to represent that. It does not specify how the factors are balanced in relation to each other.

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        I’ll second the book… read it in highschool,

        It’s a bit sick-puppet-ish, but it’s still a good read.

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          “sick-puppet-ish”. Haven’t heard that one before. Checked urban dictionary but… I’m guessing that’s not what you were going for?

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            Sorry that should have been sock puppet.

            It’s a (usually bad) way to make an argument; you stand up a false opponent to argument, but because you’re writing both sides they tend to come around.

            You’ll see it a lot in “FAQs” put out by, for example, religiously minded folks “Sinners always ask how Boba Fet got out of the Sarlac pit”

            (Answer: he didn’t that’s a Disney myth to sell more merch.)

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    You guys heard of this new one, the growing earth theory? Kinda like flat earth people, these ones believe that the earth is growing from inside and the land mass is expanding but the government, for some reason doesn’t want us to know! Lol

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    I wonder if anywhere in the universe some civilization decided that it’s against their interests to progress through industrial stage because of the environmental impact.

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        really we’ve been able to do so for decades now, the solutions have been present since the invention of the electic motor basically.

        the only reason we still burn so much fossil fuel is because it makes rich people even richer.