• doublejay1999@lemmy.world
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    100% convinced our decedents will look back in this age and laugh 2 things : domestic recycling as an attempt to save the the planet , and the fact that we did nothing unless there was a profit in it.

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    I don’t even want a straw, I prefer drinking from the side of the cup and save the environment even a little more bringing my own fave cup and asking for no straw!

    And yes, billionaires really do go brrr while I do all this

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    It drives me crazy, this performative enviornmentalist bullshit. I have to pay 10c (on top of 300% food cost increase don’t forget) for a plastic bag at the grocery when i forget my canvas ones. In these bags i must pay for i can place fruit individually wrapped in plastic.

    Every time something gets worse, we must be the ones to pay. This whole environment-saving-by-paper-straw phenomenon is so insipid that I would rather believe that it’s actually a deliberate corporate strategy. At least that would make sense. If they keep us thinking that something is being done, they don’t have to change a thing, and if it’s “all of our jobs” (read: not theirs), to save the world, we’ll never take them to task for their (greater) part of the waste.

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      It is actually a deliberate corp strategy. Plastic straws were never a real concern, save for that ONE turtle. Plastic straw make such a negligible amount of plastic waste that stop using it will have virtually zero measurable impact in amount of plastic waste we create. All it ever was intended for was to make us feel like something was being done while doing absolutely nothing.

      That’s not to say all plastic reduction initiatives are pointless. But the straws definitely belong in the least environmentally impactful category.

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        All it ever was intended for was to make us feel like something was being done while doing absolutely nothing.

        It certainly does help a little bit. But it’s of course still not a coincidence that companies are pushing for it instead of more effective measures… It’s not just cheap but it also pushes people to believe that measures to save the environment are all useless and annoying, and makes them less likely to want more to happen.

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          It’s the “thoughts and prayers” of environmentalism. I’m convinced the net effect is negative after you factor in the way it distracts people from anything that might actually help.

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    ANY effective, long-term collective change REQUIRES that the large majority of people CHANGE THEIR CONSUMPTION HABBITS. While not great, the private plane stuff is exactly as pointless as the paper straws. Both are ways for everyone to point the finger at everyone else, and not have to change.

    If the government implemented the “correct” laws tomorrow, but the populace doesn’t want to change their habits, they will vote in people that give them back their old, bad things.

    If a company implemented to “correct” processes, but the consumers don’t want to pay the necessary price, they go bankrupt, and the company with the “incorrect, but cheap” processes wins.

    ALL COLLECTIVE ACTION IS A COLLECTION OF INDIVIDUAL CHANGE. There is no alternative!

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      I can’t argue with that. There needs to be immediate change on all fronts.

      This means that I wont suck on a paper straw while mr CEO flies in his private jet. Dead easy.

      So far, there have mostly been changes that target the lives of people who already have a small CO2 footprint. I don’t even own a car for example.

      The mere existence of private jets is an atrocity while the „lesser“ of us need to invest time and effort to change their ways.

      https://greenisthenewblack.com/private-jets-are-uncool-environmentally/

      Obviously, there are those of us who like to leave their v8 running while in the grocery store and they absolutely need to stop. No emptying the ashtray on the street or going to starbucks every day and get a one use cup every time. But still, I‘m done listening to people telling me I‘m not doing enough.

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    Not only the billionaires, even the millionaires, and all the people taking the plane more than once a year. It is an ecological crime the pollution of air transport.

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      fun fact. modern planes consume ~3-4l per 100 passengers per km or 3-4l per passenger per 100km.

      efficient ICE cars consume ~6l per passenger per 100km.

      add to that, that there’s basically no good alternative to fast very long distance or cross-continent transport

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    Name one time we solved a systemic problem through individual action. You solve systemic problems with systemic solutions.

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    yeah anytime i see anyone talking about some little change they made in their lives to be more eco friendly it makes me incredibly, deeply sad. especially if it’s at more expense or more effort for them – they’re trying their best but it’s literally completely pointless

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      It’s absolutely not helpless to change your habits. All our consumption is based on collective habits, and changing them will have an effect.