I’ve been seeing comments about mailing lists. They usually want plaint text emails like these.

  • aard@kyu.de
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    4 months ago

    They will have access to metadata - otherwise they wouldn’t be able to work as email service. That’s sufficient to implement those protocols.

    The client then would have to bring their own crypto, and you’d probably want the SMTP server to reject mails if delivered unencrypted (though their FAQ says you can send unencrypted mails).

    The reason they claim they can’t is probably trying to keep full control over what users are doing, in which case I agree - fuck them, don’t use services like that.

    • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
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      4 months ago

      Receiving email, the service provider has full access to the metadata agreed. The main difference between proton and tuta is what data is kept encrypted at rest.

      Proton does not encrypt the metadata, from, too, subject

      Tuta does encrypt all of that metadata at rest

      The clients are open source, you can do anything you want, you just have to implement it. I don’t know where the hate is coming from. Tuta is unique being the only email provider that encrypts all the data at rest, and I want to give them a lot of love for that, I don’t understand the hate at all

      • aard@kyu.de
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        4 months ago

        At the time of sending the mail I need the metadata - so offering a SMTP server implementation which keeps this in memory while forwarding is not hard. You’d lose a persistent spool in case of delivery errors - but we’ve been doing relays that keep the client connection open while trying to deliver the mail to relay errors directly to the client already 30 years ago, so that also isn’t an excuse.

        For IMAP - if you don’t do serverside searching or similar it’ll work with fully encrypted mails.