• sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zip
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    18 days ago

    You could have looked at drag’s post history and seen posts about drag’s gender. You decided to reinvent the wheel.

    Thats what I did Drag, that’s what I said I did.

    I did linguistic analysis by reading your profile and post/comment history.

    I am queer myself, and also neurodiverse, and I am not talking about your gender, I am talking about your communication style.

    I have known tons of queer, gay, lesbian, bi, trans, etc people and you are the only person I’ve ever met that uses ‘person independent pronouns.’

    I’ve even dated a trans person with dissociative identity disorder, whose different identities had different genders, but this person would still use I and My, would still use he or she or they depending on which alter I was interacting with.

    If your username is Dragon Rider, 99% of people will view your use of Drag or drag as a nickname, the same way John is often a shortened version of Johnathan.

    Drag isn’t drag’s nickname.

    99.9% of people, who use standard English grammatical rules, including myself, a former copywriter for a university newspaper, automatically interperet “drag’s” in this sentence as you referring to yourself in the third person.

    99.9% of people would say “Drag isn’t my nickname.”

    I know that you like to describe it as person independent pronouns, but that is a confusing, foreign concept to 99.9% of English speakers who are not part of a very small part of the already comparitively small queer / neurodiverse community/ies.

    If I were to go around saying “That is not what spec said, spec claimed that blah blah blah…”, never using standard first person pronouns…

    I would encounter exactly the same confusion, people would think I was referring to myself in the third person, by a nickname.

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      18 days ago

      But drag isn’t encountering confusion. You’re not confused. You fully understand drag and you just disagree. Your stated reason for disagreeing is that it’s confusing, but that doesn’t make sense because you’re not confused anymore. You were confused when drag made that post, but you’re not confused anymore and you still think there’s a problem. There’s not. You eventually understood, and so will everyone else.

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        17 days ago

        He didn’t disagree. He’s trying to tell you, creating prescriptive grammar rules will make you less understood. You have decided to add a conlang feature to the English language. Your expectations on this are impossible to meet, because it requires the people that you are speaking with both research you AND internalize this rule only you have prescribed.

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          17 days ago

          It worked when other trans people decided that pronouns are something a person chooses for themself, rather than something society chooses for a person. People have just forgotten that. Drag will remind them, and it will be fine.

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            17 days ago

            It’s not about picking specific pronouns, though. People want to be addressed in a manner consistent with their gender identity. What is your gender identity?

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                16 days ago

                Could you provide an article or some description expanding on that? I don’t know how that is a gender, instead of an occupation/ preference

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                  16 days ago

                  Genders can be occupations too. Womanhood spent several thousand years being basically equal to domestic servant. And have you ever heard the line “join the army and become a man”? Among the Bugis people of indonesia, “priest” is a nonbinary gender.