Greenland is needed for US to attack Europe. He doesn’t want it to put Russian bomber/nuke bases there, he wants it out of Europe control.
Panama is obedient US slave for its sanctions on Russia. Panama is not threatening to remove sanctions before US and other colonies remove them. Russia does not do much transit through there. It already has access to both oceans. Pure propaganda to say US control of Panama canal is for Russian interests. It is to block Chinese use.
Russia is not interested in developing far away Canadian offshore resources. Like Greenland, there is no infrastructure there to bring them to customers/users. Russia has many decades of resources/development projects on its own sparsely populated, largest by far coastline, Arctic waters. Explosive level of delusion to think Trump wants to give Russia access to “New USA” coast for projects.
War on Russia is extremely stupid and unwinnable. You don’t need to be paid by Putin to not understand the stupidity and evil. Much better to take over Canada, Europe and Americas for successful evil. The derangement level in this post deflects from the actual obvious evil of US empire, as if you morons should go fight Russia instead.
I’ve talked before about how I have a working theory about how when the top comments section looks “wrong,” some of the propaganda accounts will make new top-level comments and top-level replies, in a sudden flurry of activity to a previously pretty dormant comments section, until it looks “right” again and the conversation they’re trying to downplay, in this case surph_ninja getting ridiculed for being transparent propaganda, is shifted to way down the page.
Timestamps of the top-level comments on this post:
Original post, Jan 8 6:38 PM
Flurry of new-post replies, ending with:
Jan 8, 7:43 PM
Jan 8, 8:55 PM
Jan 8, 9:02 PM (last comment before things die down)
Jan 9, 9:51 AM
Jan 9, 10:14 AM (surph_ninja’s comment with a massive replies section which over the last couple of hours started going poorly for him): https://lemmy.world/comment/14379661
Jan 9, 12:52 PM
Jan 9, 12:43 PM
Jan 9, 1:00 PM
Jan 9, 1:13 PM
Jan 9, 1:18 PM
Jan 9, 1:24 PM (this comment I’m replying to)
I feel bad that this comments section has now completely been taken over by conversations about propaganda. It’s meaner and less fun to talk about than the original political subject matter. On the other hand, for as long as people are posting propaganda, I guess it’s important for us to be talking about how people are posting propaganda. I will give kudos to the parent comment for being a lot higher caliber of propaganda comment than surph_ninja’s attempt.
This just reached my frontpage. There are alternated explanations to your madness. Propagandist evil deflections bordering on absurd just because “Putin is evil because Stalin was evil” but Yeltsin was a glorious “freedom and democracy” CIA sockpuppet who privatized the country with western financing, and then everything Trump does is because Putin has a pee tape, is a meme narrative that you are significantly overstretching here. All of these threats are pro US empire threats. That reaction against the threats gives colonies a rationality wake up call to no longer treat US as a friend is the open question that most colonial leaders are already too invested in corruption/capture to contemplate.
everything Trump does is because Putin has a pee tape
Boy howdy, that sure is exactly what I said. I’m amazed at your ability to cut through the apparent meaning of my messages and discern that at the core, I’m talking about Putin mostly in terms of Stalin, and also how I sure do love Boris Yeltsin. You can reach back to literally the only thing I ever remember saying recently about the Yeltsin era, that post I did of an article from a State Department person who was active in the 90s, and reference back to what stupendously great things for freedom and democracy I think the US and the Russian government were doing during that time.
Your original post distracts from Trump punishing allies for extreme sycophancy to Biden, by demanding extra tribute from the colonies. If you want to offer a different explanation for your Putin derangement syndrome than historical US hatred for Russia, you can go ahead. Russia is not going to welcome all NATO expansion, and no, NATO is not a purely defensive alliance.
You think you’re playing chess, while you keep playing checkers.
You win today’s Thomas Friedman award for nonsensical metaphors.
It’s not competitive on the same level as “When you’re in a hole, stop digging. When you’re in three holes, bring a lot of shovels.” But then, what is?’
Edit: I got the quote wrong.
Friedman came up with lines so hilarious you couldn’t make them up even if you were trying-and when you tried to actually picture the “illustrative” figures of speech he offered to explain himself, what you often ended up with was pure physical comedy of the Buster Keaton/Three Stooges school, with whole nations and peoples slipping and falling on the misplaced banana peels of his literary endeavors.
Remember Friedman’s take on Bush’s Iraq policy? “It’s OK to throw out your steering wheel,” he wrote, “as long as you remember you’re driving without one.” Picture that for a minute.
Or how about Friedman’s analysis of America’s foreign policy outlook last May: “The first rule of holes is when you’re in one, stop digging. When you’re in three, bring a lot of shovels.” First of all, how can any single person be in three holes at once? Secondly, what the fuck is he talking about? If you’re supposed to stop digging when you’re in one hole, why should you dig more in three? How does that even begin to make sense?
It’s stuff like this that makes me wonder if the editors over at the New York Times editorial page spend their afternoons dropping acid or drinking rubbing alcohol. Sending a line like that into print is the journalism equivalent of a security guard at a nuke plant waving a pair of mullahs in explosive vests through the front gate. It should never, ever happen.
It is mind-boggling that he was taken seriously for decades as an economic and foreign policy thinker. He’s a pre-LLM argument for the idea that being able to put any number of sentences together so they scan is not an indication that there’s any intelligence behind the text. He’s a walking wrong answer. He was unerringly backwards about so many things, on such a basic level that even a very casual critical reading could identify the flaws, and no one noticed at what was supposed to be the highest levels of American journalism, save for a handful of heretics who had to shout from the margins and were basically ignored for basically his entire career.
Enjoy. I started rereading it just now, and it’s just as great as it was back when everyone was reading Judy Miller and Paul Krugman.
This would be a small thing were it not for the overall pattern. Thomas Friedman does not get these things right even by accident. It’s not that he occasionally screws up and fails to make his metaphors and images agree. It’s that he always screws it up. He has an anti-ear, and it’s absolutely infallible; he is a Joyce or a Flaubert in reverse, incapable of rendering even the smallest details without genius. The difference between Friedman and an ordinary bad writer is that an ordinary bad writer will, say, call some businessman a shark and have him say some tired, uninspired piece of dialogue: Friedman will have him spout it. And that’s guaranteed, every single time. He never misses.
Very sad Putin derangement syndrome in post.
Greenland is needed for US to attack Europe. He doesn’t want it to put Russian bomber/nuke bases there, he wants it out of Europe control.
Panama is obedient US slave for its sanctions on Russia. Panama is not threatening to remove sanctions before US and other colonies remove them. Russia does not do much transit through there. It already has access to both oceans. Pure propaganda to say US control of Panama canal is for Russian interests. It is to block Chinese use.
Russia is not interested in developing far away Canadian offshore resources. Like Greenland, there is no infrastructure there to bring them to customers/users. Russia has many decades of resources/development projects on its own sparsely populated, largest by far coastline, Arctic waters. Explosive level of delusion to think Trump wants to give Russia access to “New USA” coast for projects.
War on Russia is extremely stupid and unwinnable. You don’t need to be paid by Putin to not understand the stupidity and evil. Much better to take over Canada, Europe and Americas for successful evil. The derangement level in this post deflects from the actual obvious evil of US empire, as if you morons should go fight Russia instead.
I’ve talked before about how I have a working theory about how when the top comments section looks “wrong,” some of the propaganda accounts will make new top-level comments and top-level replies, in a sudden flurry of activity to a previously pretty dormant comments section, until it looks “right” again and the conversation they’re trying to downplay, in this case surph_ninja getting ridiculed for being transparent propaganda, is shifted to way down the page.
Timestamps of the top-level comments on this post:
I feel bad that this comments section has now completely been taken over by conversations about propaganda. It’s meaner and less fun to talk about than the original political subject matter. On the other hand, for as long as people are posting propaganda, I guess it’s important for us to be talking about how people are posting propaganda. I will give kudos to the parent comment for being a lot higher caliber of propaganda comment than surph_ninja’s attempt.
This just reached my frontpage. There are alternated explanations to your madness. Propagandist evil deflections bordering on absurd just because “Putin is evil because Stalin was evil” but Yeltsin was a glorious “freedom and democracy” CIA sockpuppet who privatized the country with western financing, and then everything Trump does is because Putin has a pee tape, is a meme narrative that you are significantly overstretching here. All of these threats are pro US empire threats. That reaction against the threats gives colonies a rationality wake up call to no longer treat US as a friend is the open question that most colonial leaders are already too invested in corruption/capture to contemplate.
Boy howdy, that sure is exactly what I said. I’m amazed at your ability to cut through the apparent meaning of my messages and discern that at the core, I’m talking about Putin mostly in terms of Stalin, and also how I sure do love Boris Yeltsin. You can reach back to literally the only thing I ever remember saying recently about the Yeltsin era, that post I did of an article from a State Department person who was active in the 90s, and reference back to what stupendously great things for freedom and democracy I think the US and the Russian government were doing during that time.
Your original post distracts from Trump punishing allies for extreme sycophancy to Biden, by demanding extra tribute from the colonies. If you want to offer a different explanation for your Putin derangement syndrome than historical US hatred for Russia, you can go ahead. Russia is not going to welcome all NATO expansion, and no, NATO is not a purely defensive alliance.
You think you’re playing chess, while you keep playing checkers.
You can only DARVO and spell out your own strategy over and over so many times before people realize you’re projecting.
Maybe not every person critical of US foreign policy is a bot.
You win today’s Thomas Friedman award for nonsensical metaphors.
It’s not competitive on the same level as “When you’re in a hole, stop digging. When you’re in three holes, bring a lot of shovels.” But then, what is?’
Edit: I got the quote wrong.
Courtesy of the formerly-glorious Matt Taibbi.
+1 for slamming Thomas Friedman.
It is mind-boggling that he was taken seriously for decades as an economic and foreign policy thinker. He’s a pre-LLM argument for the idea that being able to put any number of sentences together so they scan is not an indication that there’s any intelligence behind the text. He’s a walking wrong answer. He was unerringly backwards about so many things, on such a basic level that even a very casual critical reading could identify the flaws, and no one noticed at what was supposed to be the highest levels of American journalism, save for a handful of heretics who had to shout from the margins and were basically ignored for basically his entire career.
https://delong.typepad.com/egregious_moderation/2009/01/matt-taibbi-flathead-the-peculiar-genius-of-thomas-l-friedman.html
Enjoy. I started rereading it just now, and it’s just as great as it was back when everyone was reading Judy Miller and Paul Krugman.