What are your thoughts on Generative Machine Learning models? Do you like them? Why? What future do you see for this technology?
What about non-generative uses for these neural networks? Do you know of any field that could use such pattern recognition technology?
I want to get a feel for what are the general thoughts of Lemmy Users on this technology.
The pushback against genAI’s mostly reactionary moral panic with (stupid|misinformation|truth stretching) talking points , such’s :
Any legitimate criticisms sadly drowned out by this bollocks , can’t trust anti AI peops to actually criticise the tech . Am bitter
Yes it is, simply due to the nature of the “training”/“learning” process, which is learning in name alone. If you know how this mathematical process works you know the machine’s definition of success is how well it’s output matches the data it was trained with. The machine is effectively trying to encrypt it’s data base on it’s nodes. I would recommend you inform yourself on how the “training” process actually works, down to the mathematical level.
AI is often push by the same people who pushed NFTs and whatnot, so this is somewhat understandable. And yes, AI consumes a lot of energy and water. Maybe not as much as crypto, but still, not something we can afford to use for mindless entertainment in our current climate catastrophe.
Yup. AI “art” works by finding pixel patterns that repeat with a given token. Due to it’s nature, it can only repeat patterns which it identified in it’s training data. Now, we have all heard of the saying “An image in worth a thousand words”. This saying is quite the understatement. For one to describe an image down to the last detail, such detail that someone who never saw the image could perfectly replicate it, one how need more than a thousand words, as evidenced by computer image files, since these are basically what was just described. The training data never has enough detail to describe the whole image in such detail and therefore it is incapable of doing anything too specific.
Art is very personal, the more of yourself you put into a piece, the more unique and “soulful” it will be. The more of the work you delegate to the machine, the less of yourself you can put into the piece, and if 100% of the image generation was made by the machine, which is in turn simply calculating an average image that matches the prompt, then nothing of you is in the piece. It is nothing more than the maths that created it.
Simple text descriptions do not give the human meaningful control over the final piece, and that is why pretty much any artist worth their tittle is not using it.
Also, the irony that we are automating the arts, something which people enjoy doing, instead of the soul degrading jobs nobody wants to do, should not be lost on us.
It is true that AI is being used in horrible was that will take sometime to adapt, it is simply that the negative usages of AI have more visibility than the positive usages. As a matter of fact, this node network technology was already in use in many fields before the Chat-GPT induced AI hype train.
Correct. It is well known that those who stem to financially benefit from the success of AI are more than willing to lie about it’s true capabilities.
https://tb.opnxng.com/reachartwork/742453285743706112/re-ai-water-usage https://blog.giovanh.com/blog/2024/08/14/is-ai-eating-all-the-energy-part-1-of-2/
Activities like eating beef use more energy than AI models , therefour they contribute more to climate change (in whatever likely negligible ways compared to corporate entities like Shell , who we shoud focus on wen reversing climate change) than use of AI models . But there’s no widespread moral panic over individual’s beef consumption (closest you’ll get are some kinds of vegans , but they stay fringe) compared to AI use
Crypto’s exceptional bcus it’s literally wasting energy with very limited use cases
Peops shouldn’t be calling for death of an entire medium based on some thing subjective like its outputs being “soulless”
What about AI-assisted art , which has more “human meaningful control” than simple (txt2img prompt|inpaint)ing then ?
Wasz initially onef those peops that didn’t think art was automatable . Turns out I was wrong . Also not every artist enjoys every part of the process . Any one who ever does art in any serious capacity knows that , am sure some would find spending hours upon hours tweaking (pose|composition|colours|lighting placement|.*) before getting to the “fun parts” “soul degrading” . While AI art models doesn’t automate everything , it can automate those with varying success
While I don’t think you’re wrong , that’s not what I said
Wen I say can’t trust anti AI art peops to criticise AI art tech , I’m including you . If you use AI “art” in scarequotes , you’re part of the problem , most your criticisms are based on (things easily debunked|misinformation|subjectivities|.*)