If I explained to you ghettos are horrific and violate human rights, because as one example among so many other issues we would likely agree on, they strip a people of their right to fair elections and representation in the determination of their future.
And that the fact that Palestinians have not been free to organize, form new political parties and campaign in safe and uncoerced elections is a direct violation of their rights and the party to answer and blame for this is the one occupying them and preventing this from happening…
What are we disagreeing about?
What I disagree with is that an election an entire generation before the present that people alive never voted in should not be held up to represent their current politics and beliefs as a nation.
If you care about the rights of Gazans then the ultimate right is the right of self determination and a right to life. So in that sense you should critically support Hamas in the Palestinian struggle against the settler-colonizers. You want pretty elections in an apartheid ghetto. How about they not have an apartheid ghetto and be integrated into a democratic process? Again, in order to do that they must not be under siege for decades…
If you care about the rights of Gazans then the ultimate right is the right of self determination and a right to life.
Those are two rights.
I believe the right to life is the ultimate right as one can’t access self determination if they are dead.
This is why the genocide takes priority over any worries about legitimacy.
So in that sense you should critically support Hamas in the Palestinian struggle against the settler-colonizers.
I support the Palestinian struggle against their colonizers but I appreciate that you put the word “critically” in their because I do also want to be able to say terrorism isn’t a good response and be able to say it’s wrong when anyone targets innocent civilians intentionally.
You want pretty elections in an apartheid ghetto.
No I want to stop the apartheid ghetto.
“Legitimacy” means nothing in a war zone. There’s nothing to talk about until the bombs stop.
How about they not have an apartheid ghetto and be integrated into a democratic process? Again, in order to do that they must not be under siege for decades…
Yeah how about that?
Haha I’m getting a but frustrated at the reading comprehension on this thread but at least we agree.
What’s a good faith argument for a ghetto/prison?
What? There aren’t any?
If I explained to you ghettos are horrific and violate human rights, because as one example among so many other issues we would likely agree on, they strip a people of their right to fair elections and representation in the determination of their future.
And that the fact that Palestinians have not been free to organize, form new political parties and campaign in safe and uncoerced elections is a direct violation of their rights and the party to answer and blame for this is the one occupying them and preventing this from happening…
What are we disagreeing about?
What I disagree with is that an election an entire generation before the present that people alive never voted in should not be held up to represent their current politics and beliefs as a nation.
If you care about the rights of Gazans then the ultimate right is the right of self determination and a right to life. So in that sense you should critically support Hamas in the Palestinian struggle against the settler-colonizers. You want pretty elections in an apartheid ghetto. How about they not have an apartheid ghetto and be integrated into a democratic process? Again, in order to do that they must not be under siege for decades…
Those are two rights.
I believe the right to life is the ultimate right as one can’t access self determination if they are dead.
This is why the genocide takes priority over any worries about legitimacy.
I support the Palestinian struggle against their colonizers but I appreciate that you put the word “critically” in their because I do also want to be able to say terrorism isn’t a good response and be able to say it’s wrong when anyone targets innocent civilians intentionally.
No I want to stop the apartheid ghetto.
“Legitimacy” means nothing in a war zone. There’s nothing to talk about until the bombs stop.
Yeah how about that?
Haha I’m getting a but frustrated at the reading comprehension on this thread but at least we agree.