Not condoning violence against a fascist is rolling over and letting them get away with fascist shit. I take it you think Brian Thompson deserves sympathy as well?
Regardless of whether Kyle Gass is doing fine, it still reveals either a weak character on Jack Black’s part or significant ideological disagreement with my own beliefs. To an extent that I find him much less appealing as an actor or performer.
If violence against a corporate ghoul, fascist, or nazi saves more lives in the long run, it is 100% justified. If Crooks had not missed we’d be living in a much better world right now and far fewer people would be in serious danger.
I take it you think Brian Thompson deserves sympathy as well?
Yes. I think he was a pile of trash (esp. since my company uses his insurance company), but I will only consider violence as an absolute last resort. These types of problems can and should be solved without violence. Unfortunately, those types of solutions take a lot more time and effort, so I totally understand the desire for a quick fix, esp. for those who are suffering.
So while I think Brian Thompson deserves sympathy, I think Luigi Mangione and everyone who supports him does as well. Likewise for both Trump and those who support the attempted assassinations.
significant ideological disagreement with my own beliefs
I don’t see what this has to do with watching a film with him in it. I have deep ideological disagreements with a lot of popular content, but I watch it because that content has nothing to do with that ideological disagreement.
I’ll certainly boycott things that are directly related to my ideological disagreements (e.g. I avoid Nestle products due to their unethical sales tactics in Africa), but I’m not going to boycott something just because someone I disagree with is involved (e.g. I’m happy to use Brave despite completely disagreeing w/ Brendan Eich about same-sex marriage).
Watching a Jack Black film doesn’t impact Jack Black’s public views about Trump’s assassination attempts, the two are completely unrelated. Refusing to go to a Tenacious D concert if Jack Black decides to go on tour w/o Kyle Gass could have an impact though.
If violence against a corporate ghoul, fascist, or nazi saves more lives in the long run, it is 100% justified
I absolutely disagree. The ends do not justify the means.
If we condone violence as an effective means to achieve political results, we’re literally supporting terrorism, because that’s what that is:
terrorism - The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.
If we condone violence as an effective means to achieve political results, we’re literally supporting terrorism, because that’s what that is:
I never said “political ends”. I was reasonably specific “fewer people dying in the long run”.
Do you take issue with terrorism because of the results (immediate deaths + chilling effects) or because it is unvirtuous? Because I don’t care about virtue at all.
I also don’t put powerful people on the same level as a regular “civilian”. When you take on a powerful position and then proceed to abuse the position so thoroughly that you cause mass deaths you might as well be a military general. In Trump’s case, he’s now literally the commander in chief of the US military.
I also want to point out that I don’t even believe in free will and my ethical frame work here isn’t that I simply want to “take out the trash” or seek vengeance. On a purely rational level I want the harm to stop, not to make Trump or Brian Thompson suffer or die. If there is a reasonable means to achieving that without killing them I would be in favor. But failing to find a pacifistic alternative I actually would say it is an ethical failure not to.
This one. I’m actually w/ Jack Black on this, because condoning violence is never okay, even for someone as distasteful as Trump.
That said, I think it was an overreaction. Maybe there’s more to it and this was the last straw. Idk.
That said, I’m sure Kyle is doing fine.
Not condoning violence against a fascist is rolling over and letting them get away with fascist shit. I take it you think Brian Thompson deserves sympathy as well?
Regardless of whether Kyle Gass is doing fine, it still reveals either a weak character on Jack Black’s part or significant ideological disagreement with my own beliefs. To an extent that I find him much less appealing as an actor or performer.
If violence against a corporate ghoul, fascist, or nazi saves more lives in the long run, it is 100% justified. If Crooks had not missed we’d be living in a much better world right now and far fewer people would be in serious danger.
Yes. I think he was a pile of trash (esp. since my company uses his insurance company), but I will only consider violence as an absolute last resort. These types of problems can and should be solved without violence. Unfortunately, those types of solutions take a lot more time and effort, so I totally understand the desire for a quick fix, esp. for those who are suffering.
So while I think Brian Thompson deserves sympathy, I think Luigi Mangione and everyone who supports him does as well. Likewise for both Trump and those who support the attempted assassinations.
I don’t see what this has to do with watching a film with him in it. I have deep ideological disagreements with a lot of popular content, but I watch it because that content has nothing to do with that ideological disagreement.
I’ll certainly boycott things that are directly related to my ideological disagreements (e.g. I avoid Nestle products due to their unethical sales tactics in Africa), but I’m not going to boycott something just because someone I disagree with is involved (e.g. I’m happy to use Brave despite completely disagreeing w/ Brendan Eich about same-sex marriage).
Watching a Jack Black film doesn’t impact Jack Black’s public views about Trump’s assassination attempts, the two are completely unrelated. Refusing to go to a Tenacious D concert if Jack Black decides to go on tour w/o Kyle Gass could have an impact though.
I absolutely disagree. The ends do not justify the means.
If we condone violence as an effective means to achieve political results, we’re literally supporting terrorism, because that’s what that is:
I never said “political ends”. I was reasonably specific “fewer people dying in the long run”.
Do you take issue with terrorism because of the results (immediate deaths + chilling effects) or because it is unvirtuous? Because I don’t care about virtue at all.
I also don’t put powerful people on the same level as a regular “civilian”. When you take on a powerful position and then proceed to abuse the position so thoroughly that you cause mass deaths you might as well be a military general. In Trump’s case, he’s now literally the commander in chief of the US military.
I also want to point out that I don’t even believe in free will and my ethical frame work here isn’t that I simply want to “take out the trash” or seek vengeance. On a purely rational level I want the harm to stop, not to make Trump or Brian Thompson suffer or die. If there is a reasonable means to achieving that without killing them I would be in favor. But failing to find a pacifistic alternative I actually would say it is an ethical failure not to.