Exactly you can’t criticize imperialism as it’s relevant to the Russia Ukraine war without including America in that economic reality. This is what people freak out about, because a materialist analysis would look at what resources are present in Ukraine, Russian oligarchs pressuring their government to allow them access to them, Ukraine wanting it for them and appealing to their interests, America assisting in that and helping them because it’s in their economic interests as well. Then you have the public image of the war obfuscated from these conditions, and that’s what people get upset about because they are invested in Ukraine as an arm of America’s imperialism not as a truly independent state controlled by Ukrainians. If Ukrainians wanted to be in Russia they would drop them, and probably will because that’s what America often does to it’s allies in these conflicts. For now there’s still rational reasons to continue it from bOtH SidEs, but the Kurds know what it’s like to be on the receiving end of US military aid. Israel is willing to do the US’ dirty work required in the arrangement so they keep getting US aid.
This is what people freak out about, because a materialist analysis would look at what resources are present in Ukraine, Russian oligarchs pressuring their government to allow them access to them, Ukraine wanting it for them and appealing to their interests, America assisting in that and helping them because it’s in their economic interests as well.
… you… you do realize that materialist analysis extends far beyond conflicts over resources, right?
… right…?
Oh, who am I kidding, of course you don’t.
If Ukrainians wanted to be in Russia they would drop them
If Ukraine wanted to be in Russia there wouldn’t be a fucking war, so of course?
Oh sorry didn’t realize you wanted the entire materialist analysis of the world to consider it valid lol, it’s not like you disagreed with my summary though…
Exactly there would be no war, the fact there is one means we can analyze it like any other regional war between imperialist and independent/imperialist-backed nations. It’s that which people take to be pro-Russia because it’s not injected with pandering. American’s need pandering or they think it’s anti-American or pro-enemy.
Exactly you can’t criticize imperialism as it’s relevant to the Russia Ukraine war without including America in that economic reality. This is what people freak out about, because a materialist analysis would look at what resources are present in Ukraine, Russian oligarchs pressuring their government to allow them access to them, Ukraine wanting it for them and appealing to their interests, America assisting in that and helping them because it’s in their economic interests as well. Then you have the public image of the war obfuscated from these conditions, and that’s what people get upset about because they are invested in Ukraine as an arm of America’s imperialism not as a truly independent state controlled by Ukrainians. If Ukrainians wanted to be in Russia they would drop them, and probably will because that’s what America often does to it’s allies in these conflicts. For now there’s still rational reasons to continue it from bOtH SidEs, but the Kurds know what it’s like to be on the receiving end of US military aid. Israel is willing to do the US’ dirty work required in the arrangement so they keep getting US aid.
… you… you do realize that materialist analysis extends far beyond conflicts over resources, right?
… right…?
Oh, who am I kidding, of course you don’t.
If Ukraine wanted to be in Russia there wouldn’t be a fucking war, so of course?
Oh sorry didn’t realize you wanted the entire materialist analysis of the world to consider it valid lol, it’s not like you disagreed with my summary though…
Exactly there would be no war, the fact there is one means we can analyze it like any other regional war between imperialist and independent/imperialist-backed nations. It’s that which people take to be pro-Russia because it’s not injected with pandering. American’s need pandering or they think it’s anti-American or pro-enemy.