• BlanketsWithSmallpox@lemmy.world
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        No it’s not. The goal must be to exterminate the entirety of a group of people.

        Being a cruel fascist piece of shit othering central americans by separating children - parents in detention centers then reuniting most of them isn’t genocide.

        Forcible transferring of children from Ukraine may potentially violate multiple international law provisions.Footnote5 In its latest report, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine concluded that the transfer and deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia constitute violations of Article 147 of the Geneva Convention IV, Articles 74 and 85(4)(b)-(5) of Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions, and Article 8(1) of the Convention of the Rights of the Child.Footnote6 On 17 March 2023, the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued warrants of arrest for two individuals in the situation in Ukraine: President Putin and Commissioner L’vova-Belova for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under Articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute).Footnote7

        International lawyersFootnote8 remain divided on extent to which Russia’s actions in Ukraine constitute genocide under any of the paragraphs of Article IIFootnote9 of the Genocide Convention.Footnote10 Predictably, the fundamental challenge lies with proving dolus specialis, a special intent to physically destroy the group, as required by the genocide definition.Footnote11

        https://www.encyclopedia.com/international/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/forcible-transfer

        https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/10443894231200659

        https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-50

        https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2023.2228085

        An example where it is but they aren’t necessarily killing every one of them?

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide

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          Wow lol. Just have to be 100% right don’t you.

          TL;DR.

          Article 2 Subsection E: (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

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            Wow lol. Just have to be 100% right don’t you.

            -_-

            I’m glad you know more than international lawyers who specialize in war crimes.

            I’m glad you’re watering down geopolitical atrocities as some political gotcha instead of trying to understand the truth beyond propaganda sound bytes.

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              I’m not saying any of that lmao.

              That’s literally one of the aspects of genocide as defined by the International Court of the Hague, lol.

              Jesus, man. Smoke a joint or learn how to communicate better.

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                Weed and I have never mixed well lol. Most smoking for that matter. I blame living in households full of smokers for the first 18 years of my life. Thank god banning it in public buildings finally got around to being a thing in the USA.

                And yes, it is, as I clarified to the proper context.

                E: You can call a chicken a duck as much as you want. It doesn’t make them both a chicken just because they’re both poultry.

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            That can be an element of genocide, but you need more, otherwise we could say that putting kids into foster care is a type of genocide, which is silly.

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                But that just proves my point that it has to be more than just putting kids into foster care. You wouldn’t claim that we’re guilty of genocide every time we take a white kid away from their drug-addicted criminal family. There has to be more to it as you yourself have just tacitly acknowledged. It has to be systemic and part of a much larger pattern, just as was the very program vis Native Americans that you mention.

                Again, the case remains; simply removing kids from their families is not necessarily grounds for charges of genocide. We need more.

                What about this do you not understand?

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                  What about the real world events you’re arguing about not being related do you not understand?

                  Do you think there was a single white kid in a cage?

                  Fuck you’re retarded. 🤦🤡

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        Thank you for saying that. I have been making that case for years and no one else has ever agreed with me.