Can someone clarify Finland and Indonesia?
Great meme btw
Don’t as a Fin their affiliations in the 1940s also social democracy bases it’s economy on off-loading the suffering from the imperial core to the periphery. Essentially social democracy is the embodiment of modern day imperialism (just like any capitalism is tbh)
Idk about Indonesia tho
I’m aware of the export of exploitation to the imperial periphery under a social democratic economic system, but no other nordic social democrat country is there, so I don’t think so.
What has Poland to do with any genocide?
Fascism, nationalism, xenophobia etc (trust me I was born in this shithole)
Edit: popatrz sobie na jakiekolwiek zdjęcia z marszu niepodległościowego sprzed roku nie trzeba długo szukać żeby znaleźć totenkopfy i tym podobne rzeczy
11·2 days agoszmer.info has defederated from lemmygrad. lemmus is never going to see your comment.
Probably for the best lol
I was looking thinking that’s the Indonesian flag. Then noticed Poland next to Australia
Ask the Polish collaborators at the operation Reinhardt camps.
Who was leading the operation? Not Poles - GERMANS, no Pole would invent and finalize such idea. You talk about repressioned collaborators (also COLLABORATORS, not the whole hq or country) you know nothing yet you wanna blame the good guys. I’m curious if you would not collaborate while having a pistol pointed on your head. Think before writing cuz you just gave me example of GERMAN operation.
Although historians say the Holy Cross Mountains Brigade collaborated with the Nazis, a representative of the veterans, Jan Józef Kasprzyk, sought to deny such a link.
Kasprzyk described the claims of collaboration as a product of postwar communist propaganda meant to smear the unit’s legacy.
The official rehabilitation of the brigade began when Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki honored its members at a cemetery in Munich in February 2018.
Morawiecki asserted at a news conference the same day that there were some “Jewish perpetrators” of the Holocaust.
https://apnews.com/general-news-9eb9502f00724a50aeb33082ff7ce692
Hahaha you self-destroyed any of your arguments. You are basically giving me a shit press which collaborated with nazis blaming Poles to collaborate with nazis. You better watch yourself at what you feed your brain with, cuz this shit is definitely not good. I have a feeling that I’m talking to flat-earther, no joke. They did not even link ANY source, none, they just manipulated the reality to make you believe what you believe. Crazy. Here, just see the “controversies” tab: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press
You’re demonstrating the effect of nationalism to the human brain. I don’t really care that you’re aligned with Polish nationalist historical revisionists (far right obviously), I’m adding the context for everyone else to see.
You are telling the lies, not adding the context. What you’re telling here should be a shame for you if you have anything to do with Poland. Even worse if you are a Polish leftist, as you only give the reasons to never ever vote for left, cuz thats what we gonna get. Lies, covered in anti-national stories. Let’s repeat then: Poland has NOTHING to do with genocides, its ukrainians who did the grnocide to Poles, its germans who did the genocide to jews AND Poles, and you won’t change the truth. Anyone here wondering who is right will look up the wikipedia and see what I’m telling clearly aligns with facts - while your opinion is based on 1 publication of nazi press. Shame on you.
Keep being vocally a far right nationalist while saying that Associated Press is “nazi press” and acting like nobody knows about the Polish far right politicians lol and don’t get me started about who should be ashamed when there were all these “innocent” Poles who lived right next to Treblinka and Sobibor and didn’t notice anything. Minding their own business with extermination camps ten minutes away. Stop whining about it because Polish inactivity is infamous and pretty well attested in the Holocaust sources. Even when you have to honor the “resistance” they end up being anticommunists and nazis.
Repressions on Ukrainians during 1930’s could - and should - be considered genocidal. Then there’s the rest of Kresy with forced polonisation of Belarusians and tutejszych
You are delusional here. Repressions is not genocide, and its UKRAINIANS who did genocide on Poles in 1943. Read it, cuz you tell absolute lies: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia
Clearly Poles got again not repressioned - they got massively murdered with cold blood and with special cruelty. Read what Ukrainians did to Poles and tell me when Poles did the same to anyone.
Yeah! And what did Australia do… Oh wait.
Or Finland
However, the Finnish air force began using it many years before the birth of Nazi Germany,
Yes, because Count Eric von Rosen introduced it to the Finns first. von Rosen was Hermann Göring’s brother-in-law.
The article you linked says
Göring had noted the swastika during his stay in Sweden and at von Rosens’ castle (forged into a metal piece at the fireplace). However, the swastika of the German Nazi party had been adopted already in 1920, two years before Göring met Adolf Hitler.
Seems like a case of multiple shitheads liking the same symbol independently?
Now why would a count van rosen, who hosts hermann göring in his castle before the nazis even have any power, be taken to the swastika?
Just one of those random coincidences I’m sure…
Oh, I know. It’s at fault for being genocided by USSR https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD because… because… since America = bad, then USSR must be good (at least that’s how I understand the “logic” here)
Knowing the template, this actually does make sense. The first three are ones where it’s super clear that you’d have to be quite stupid to fall for it. Then the fourth one, a lot of people wouldn’t immediately realise you have to be stupid to fall for them, but it’s stupid to fall for them nonetheless.
True to the meme format, the point isn’t that it isn’t stupid to fall for the first three. It clearly is. But falling for the fourth one is stupid, too.
(though I must admit, the selection of some of the examples is pretty weird)
Finland? Fuckign ukraine?
This is peak “everyobe is Bad, ukrainians are Nazis!! 1!!, russia is greatest!! 1!”
Uh, Ukraine is literally a dictatorship that doesn’t have elections and is being bombed into dirt. I wouldn’t want to live there. It actually is also pretty full of Nazis, they’re just weird Nazis who during the initial occupation of Ukraine decided the Germans were generally right, but actually Ukrainians were the closest race to the OG lilly white Aryans. I’ve seen paintings of historical Ukrainian Nazis on the wall behind Ukrainians being interviewed on PBS Newshour. Russia should abide by the internationally legal borders (like Israel) and stop murdering civilians en masse (like Israel) but the original Nazis killing ethnic Russians pretext for its invasion is no more fake than October 7th, which in no way is a defense of either evil state or their actions in retaliation.
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The meme isn’t trying to say “eveyone is bad.” It’s showing the hypocrisy of liberals when they make up and believe false bad things about AES states but simp for their country when their country actually does those same things. For example when westerns cry “China is imperialist” (reading about China’s socio-economic system would show that’s not true) but ignore/support their country actually exploiting the Global South.
Who likes any of them? Name me a state that isn’t dripping with blood. Name me a national leader who isn’t guilty.
It’s either reductionist “Blame the government, not the people!” or holist “The world is at fault” with you people, you just can’t bring yourself to call out Western exploitation of the Global South.
There are at least 3 settler-colonies in the last panel that, in the past and as we speak, actively commit genocide, ethnic cleansing, destabilization of Global South states and other crimes, which were created and continuously enabled by the remaining featured countries, 4 of which were former empires that continue their legacy through neocolonialism. The rest, whom benefit greatly from said neocolonialism or are direct perpetrators themselves, are comprador states practicing systemic violence and repression on those that so much as sympathize with Dewesternization and anti-imperialism, states that harbor a shit ton of Nazis and states that are happy to murder immigrants and asylum seekers escaping the violence perpetrated by said states.
In order of apperance:
- The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine and the Creation of Israel (How We Got Here)
- The territories that were, at one time, colonized by the British Empire:
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I don’t have a good comprehensive resource on Japan or Actually Part of China, someone else please help.
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The Jakarta Method (correctly circles back to the US as the root cause)
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NATO deserves the label ‘criminal organization’ within meaning of the Nuremberg judgment.
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Combined longpost by я не из калининграда and davel respectively, detailing everything Ukraine
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I’m skipping the UN on account of it being useless… Just take my word for it… or something.
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EU countries were already listed, I don’t need to belabor the point.
EDIT: I confused Indonesia for Monaco, lmao.
Don’t have a specific link right now but the civilian death toll from the Japanese operations in Manchuria is most likely above 10 million. There are also several ethnic minorities in Japan that have been colonized by them relatively recently e.g. Okinawa, ehich is also secondarily occupied by a huge US base.
I think it’s Indonesia, not Monaco. The flags are very similar, but the Indonesian one is slightly lighter red.
oh woops, thanks for pointing that out. I guess I don’t have a great resource on Indonesia either other than The Jakarta Method, so I’ll just add that.
mine has a long history of NOT interfering in other countries’ affairs.
The state well always fall into the hands of the bourgeoisie.
yes, until we abolish capitalism for good, you can always expect the tug of war between fascism and slightly less bad neoliberalism.
My country’s leader seems chill, Maia Sandu’s her name. Peak president fr
