It probably happened over a long period of course but when did the ref know when to “call it”?

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    How did the Ottomans themselves view their fall or what indicia did they recognize in line with the rest of the world?

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      3 months ago

      Interesting question, I’m not sure. Would need someone more knowledgeable on Turkish history specifically.

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        3 months ago

        Its almost more interesting to me as a sidebar how the respective upper echelon-folk view these things or have inside information at some point on to liquidate and flee