While it’s true there is no precedent for this amount of population and this complex of “sewage” requirements before or outside of capitalism, that doesn’t mean capitalism is necessary to manage a complex sewage system for a large population. When people use examples like this as a rationalization to say “capitalism is necessary” it is lazy and tunnel visioned. A million other considerations aside, the fact that capitalism is destroying the planet and making and keeping most peoples’ lives miserable, pointing to logistical challenges like “who will do this tough job” is not an excuse to maintain the coercion of capitalism’s sort of “slavery,” wage slavery. We will find a way to manage the “shit” especially since the infrastructure already exists, look, so much of it has been built and can just be managed in a different way. If we ever needed capitalism (debatable of course) we don’t anymore.
A lot of people say capitalism is necessary and that was what it sounded like, considering the image in OP.
I don’t know if the sewage example disproves anarchism and it depends what you mean by anarchism anyways. If a hierarchy suddenly pops up for some very specific purpose or instance, is it suddenly “not anarchism” or “anarchism doesn’t work” if so many other things are done effectively in an “anarchist” way?
I’m not personally a strict 100% dogmatic anarchist, anyways. It’s a tool and body of knowledge and set of principles
While it’s true there is no precedent for this amount of population and this complex of “sewage” requirements before or outside of capitalism, that doesn’t mean capitalism is necessary to manage a complex sewage system for a large population. When people use examples like this as a rationalization to say “capitalism is necessary” it is lazy and tunnel visioned. A million other considerations aside, the fact that capitalism is destroying the planet and making and keeping most peoples’ lives miserable, pointing to logistical challenges like “who will do this tough job” is not an excuse to maintain the coercion of capitalism’s sort of “slavery,” wage slavery. We will find a way to manage the “shit” especially since the infrastructure already exists, look, so much of it has been built and can just be managed in a different way. If we ever needed capitalism (debatable of course) we don’t anymore.
I didn’t say Capitalism is necessary. Tired of that strawman argument.
I’m saying Anarchism won’t work, and this is but one example of why. A better system is needed.
A lot of people say capitalism is necessary and that was what it sounded like, considering the image in OP.
I don’t know if the sewage example disproves anarchism and it depends what you mean by anarchism anyways. If a hierarchy suddenly pops up for some very specific purpose or instance, is it suddenly “not anarchism” or “anarchism doesn’t work” if so many other things are done effectively in an “anarchist” way?
I’m not personally a strict 100% dogmatic anarchist, anyways. It’s a tool and body of knowledge and set of principles