Full title: 92% of American adults aren’t going to a doctor because they cannot afford it. The health insurance industry must be dissolved & all of its executives criminally prosecuted for murder, conspiracy, and treason.
There are other reasons - one being that doctors aren’t really offering treatments, just finagling their way to defining a “solution” or excuse for the symptoms you’re exhibiting. Many people experiencing problems are out looking for their own solutions. I don’t blame poor medical training, just the squeezing of their metrics for maximum profit.
in another time, that would have a better chance of happening since we used to go after racketeers. now, we have them in the actual government so thats not even in consideration
I call bullshit on this stat
Cool. You did it.
Yes!
Can we please gets some socialism up in this bitch already?!
They will never give it to you.
You will have to take it by force.
Actually the Luigi way. Trust me a couple or 10 dead easy to put some strain. They’re not in fear of their mortality.
You should read about the birth of fascism in Italy
I’ll keep it in mind not to try to rebuild the Roman empire while I advocate for extreme social reform.
Which has nothing to do with this
If you followed my advice you’d realize it does
Fascism in Italy had a lot more to do with nationalism than leftism, ultimately it wasn’t really a leftist movement at all. I’m not sure if you’re aware of the current state of the US but we already have an ethno-nationalism problem here, and it’s exactly the thing we’re trying to fight against.
Ok since y’all want to pick fights without trying to understand: fascism was a reaction to the growing leftist movements. It’s called reactionism because that’s what it does. Killing a few assholes won’t solve anything except give rise to some variation of this.
The foundation for change like this is a cultural shift, otherwise all you’ll get is some more repression.
If facism is fuck the rich no one would complain about facism. But clearly its not.
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HA! What a load of shit that all was.
Now it is just some weird brand of freedomtm mixed with warm ideas of misplaced superiority.
Don’t forget the racism and refusal to acknowledge that 'Murica was founded in genocide
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They also have the biggest and most well equipped military in the world. I dont see it going well for the average citizen there. You’re going to need a LOT of help for any type of resistance too. I don’t think the average american has access to things like tanks or armored vehicles either. Maybe drone warfare would happen? Not a good outlook.
Now if you could somehow convince them all to stop working and make the economy come to a halt, that might make the elite class worried and be forced into reaching a resolution without violence. Doubt it could ever be that easy or simple though, and is just a pipe dream at this point. Americans might be screwed forever if they can’t work together or agree on anything at all.
The Iranians fucked up that big equipped military.
It was to combat English, not tyranny.
A lot of times, you just get a big bill without them doing anything useful for you.
Patient: “You misunderstand, the diagnosis isn’t behind a lock, the medicine is.”
Doctor: “Fair enough, I’ll permanently label you as ‘drug-seeking’ and this isn’t libel somehow.”
Which they have to keep an eye out for because doctors fell for drugmakers’ lies and overprescribed addictive opiates while claiming they aren’t addictive (which makes it even easier to get addicted).
Or they just use that as an excuse to not have to deal with an annoying case they can’t flash diagnose and then get offended if a patient decides to do their own research because the doctors they see can’t be bothered.
I always think back to the time my ex was trying to get a diagnosis for a rare condition that matched her weird symptoms very well. She got a new family doctor, a young new doctor, and he would always dismiss her when she brought up wanting a referral to a clinic that specialized in it so they could diagnose her or rule it out. One time I went with her, she brought it up again, he said he didn’t think she had it, and all I did was ask what made him think this wasn’t the case and he admitted he didn’t know much about it and would do some reading. On her next appointment, she didn’t even have to ask because it was as obvious to him that she probably had it as it had been to us, he just gave her the referral.
So his justification for dismissing her belief she might have that condition was jack shit, probably involving imagining House saying “it’s never lupus” or something like that. Like yeah, rare conditions are rare but some doctors treat that as if it’s impossible instead of rare and then don’t even bother learning how to tell.
The Dunning Kruger effect seems to be particularly strong in the medical field. Though to be fair, they do have to deal with their share of idiots and liars, but it makes them jaded rather than sharp.
This is why i stopped going.
“shocking”? I feel like anyone living here could tell you this 💀
Yes, not “shocking” at all when literally everyone you know is doing this…
Edit: with the exception of Boomers on Medicare.
What’s shocking is our inaction.
People pay a fortune in premiums, then another fortune in deductibles, before they can even use their insurance. Most families never actually get to that point unless they are “lucky” enough to have a family member who gets sick or injured badly enough to meet the deductible. Then you can finally use your insurance for the rest of the year.
We paid for years, and got literally nothing out of it, until I fell off a roof and got a bad concussion, and a big enough bill that our deductible was met. That was in September, so for the next few months we went to every doctor we needed, got every test we’d been putting off, etc. It was the only time we got full use of our insurance, so we took advantage of it, after paying in tens of thousands of dollars for years.
Medicare 4 All would give us full use of our insurance on January 1 every year, without having to worry about any deductibles. It might cost a couple of hundred extra dollars in taxes, but you’ll save $600 month in health insurance premium, and $4500 per year in deductibles, so you’ll come out far ahead, and have actual health insurance.
As an outsider seeing the US from the internet, can I guess that you didnt get Medicare 4 All because people went :
“4 All? But like, not those people too, surely? Oh hell no. Something something socialism bad.”
No, we didn’t get it because our politicians are partly owned by the insurance companies.
The majority of people want Medicare for all and even more if you explain it without including the name.
We nearly had a public option in the Affordable Care Act, but then Democrats watered down their proposal before it ever went to up for an actual vote thanks to Lieberman. Which of course ended up making it a huge boon to the insurance companies, resulting in our current state of affairs.
The public option was never going to be in the final bill. It was there to be negotiated out for republican votes. When they refused to play ball, Lieberman had to play the part of the bad guy.
Lol, they had a super majority at the time. They never needed the Republican votes.
A large part of the democratic party identity at the time was bipartisanship. They used that as an excuse to water down any sort of public good legislation. It’s why they started with a republican health insurance reform bill instead of single payer and it’s why they ended up negotiating against themselves to drop the public option in the end.
I’m well aware. Still doesn’t change the fact that it was a self-inflicted wound, and that they took out a public option when they didn’t need to.
That’s the meme, but I think it’s more that insurance companies spend fortunes to
bribelobby for politicians to vote against it, not to mention fortunes in propaganda to push the narrative that universal healthcare is more expensive.Universal healthcare is actually a bipartisan issue among the people. But as you expect, one side is really good at reframing terms to make it sound like It benefits the “non-deserving”. The main “issue” over the decades is that everytime they try to creep this into making all insurance worse they get pushback.
So, kinda.
I didn’t even get to use my insurance.
We met our deductible for a baby. A month before birth our company switched insurance providers. Back to zero. I’m still paying hospital bills 7 months later.
How did you see a doctor if you didn’t make an appointment before September? It takes 4-5 months to see a doctor where I live. This country is such shit
How do you know you’ll need a doctor in 4 months??!? How do the other people booking that far out know they’ll need one? When you need a doctor, you need one soon, preferably today. Do you just book an appointment per week and cancel if you don’t need it?
If it’s an emergency - the er. If it’s not an emergency - an “Urgent Care” type place. But not your actual Dr unless you plan months in advance.
Are we talking “no, sorry I can’t get a chest infection right now, I need to schedule an appointment with the doctor firat, but I should be able to fit you in in 4 months or so”? I ask because I know the US healthcare system is bad, but I have difficulty judging how bad.
I feel like I answered this question in the post you are responding to?
If you have an urgent problem you go to urgent care. I had one, I went to urgent care after work, I got seen, got the prescription, and went home and got my pills.
If you say “hey I have this problem where my back hurts sometimes” then they’ll schedule you for the next available appointment. Depending on how busy they are, yes that could be months out. You might try a different doctor if you can.
It helps if you tell them that you e met your deductible, which means you are now a bottomless pit of health insurance money, and want to schedule all the tests you’ve been putting off. They’ll find room in the schedule.
Medicare for all will happen once enough Americans figure out that $2000/year in taxes is less than $8000/year in premiums/deductibles. So it could take awhile.
92% not going and yet I still have to wait 6-8 weeks for a visit with my PCP, to be mostly ignored and referred to a specialist, then 6+ months for a specialist to be told I need to go back to my PCP to redo all the diagnostics they did at referral because the results are too old now…
that is annoying. i have something similar happen. i messaged online portal my derm recently about a rash , and he basically was annoyed and said go to your Pcp to be treated about this “simple problem”.
PCP visit is supposed to be scheduled in advance, because it’s not an emergency. If you ask for a sooner appointment, they can call you when a cancellation occurs and see you sooner.
My bad - next time I have an unexpected but non-emergency medical issue I’ll be sure to plan it in advance.
It’s not like I’m not already asking for the first available. The only reason I’ve ever had any of them call me is to tell me my appointment has been pushed several weeks to a time I can’t make and moved to a town an hour away.
doesnt your healthcare provider have an online portal? cant you contact them about the results ahead of time?
not all the time, they can have emergency appts, and sometimes they also bring in a roving specialist. it depends on your insurance, and the network.
All of the hospitals in my state were purchased by Atlantic Health.
My friend works for the hospital. The highlight of their quarterly meeting is how much profit the hospital now makes.
Why do hospitals need to make profit?!
Why are corporate owned hospitals even legal?!
I hate this timeline.
equity firms are ruining healthcare, by staffing less doctors in some areas.
Brits love to complain about the NHS, and rightly. After 14 years of right wing governments underfunding it it’s on it’s knees.
However if someone tried to replace it with an American style system we’d make the way the French protest look tame.
Sorry but I doubt it. Brits are really not good at standing up for themselves. They are replacing it with an American style system, just a little bit at a time. In the last 30 years it’s come about half way, and it might take another couple decades to really finish the job, but I think it’s likely they’ll succeed in the end.
Just waiting for that one really charismatic Tori to come out and say the NHS is the problem. Thatcher 2 is gonna be hilarious
No you won’t. You’d take it like we did.
[In the voice of Mr. Perfect Cell]
So…um… What are you going to do to them?
And they are still paying for that insurance they can’t afford to use.
That’s so you’ll just go bankrupt instead of thrown out on the street to die.
The survey that the article is based on seems pretty fishy to me. It’s conducted by some financial services company that is mostly involved in selling financial products, not doing research. The methodology section is pretty threadbare and they don’t provide the survey data itself.
The figures are also way out of line with more reputable research organizations like the KFF which estimates that 17% of Americans delay or avoid healthcare due cost.
Is 17% still really high and an unethical travesty in the wealthiest country on earth? Yeah. But there’s no way that 92% of people are skipping the doctor due to cost. Just as an example, the top quintile of earners in the US make more than 300k per year. I doubt that anyone in that group in delaying or avoiding healthcare due to costs and yet the survey would mean that a good chunk of them are.
There’s no way it’s only 17%. The percentage of uninsured was estimated over 8% in 2024, before insurance premiums skyrocketed and Republicans voting to kick millions off of Medicaid.
isnt MEHMET oz/RFK JR, trying to get medicaid/care to only apply if the patient/enrolle is working 80hrs/month(this automatically puts people over the medicaid limit already by default for most states)
I don’t know any specifics other than they’re trying to make sure health care costs go up until only the wealthy can ever get medical assistance, that the poor can’t get any kind of help with affording those costs, and that as many lower income babies as possible die from diseases we can easily vaccinate against as possible.
And to make sure there’s no such thing as gender affirming care for trans folks, so that Republicans can feel safe raping whatever child or adult they pick out without having to worry it might make them gay.
Exactly. There was an article on here that said that self check out saved grocery stores 300 billion dollars a year when total revenue for the entire grocery industry is a trillion dollars.
This sub needs significantly better fact checking and moderation. This is obviously a nonsense article with a nonsense number with a % sign after it.
The survey showed that over nine in ten (92%) of insured respondents had delayed or avoided medical care because of concern about cost.
But the methodology seems wonky indeed, 1507 should be a decent sample size for statistical purposes. But half of the respondents are self-employed and only 1% is unemployed, which explains the “average out of pocket per income level” section, flying all over the place.
But 92% of insured, having delayed medical care is a massive finding.
Although the methodology makes one raise eyebrows, for how they’re able to include income brackets of “0$”, as that at most seems to be 15 respondents.
Addition, at a second look they claim .5% are in the no income bracket. Which is 7/8 respondents. Why would they even include that section then?
I guess there’s also different levels of “skipping”. If I was an American, I’d be skipping it unless I’m deathly suffering, whereas here I’d go if it’s sufficiently debilitating.
or people also s kipping because thier doctors are doing the bare minimum, or half assed with an appointment, and then becoming annoyed with them, and the patients wait it out if thier symptoms improved, because going to doc would result in the same lame thing.
It is cheaper to keep people healthy through preventive care than it is to treat illness. From a taxpayer point of view, a single payer system would save us money.
But people are so propagandized in this country that they seriously think private insurance is the better option.
I don’t have data, but as a pharmacy worker one thing that seems very apparent to me is people with non-european/white names getting way more insurance rejections.
Also, insulin and inhalers should not be so consistently headaches to deal with. Inhaler insurance issues make me want to rip my hair out.
im not surprised, they probably “statistically” think with data that poc are likely lower income earners and are less likely to afford insurance long term, or pay out of pocket for expensive procedures, medications and would drop insurance at the moments notice. they know white people are often gainfully employed in higher salary jobs, if not wealthy and are good on thier payments for everything for healthcare. white people have better outcome for healthcare than POCs as a result, of being in higher paid jobs. also poc tend to have more chronic issues that are often neglected or go untreated for long and is expensive to the companies, because they want to avoid paying too much to go the doctors in the first place. while caucasians/european tend to see doctors the first thing they suspect something is wrong.
coming from a poc family, we often put of some medical issues until it gets hard to ignore.
