where did i say or agreed to that “workers deserve to be exploited”, the sentence YOU put in my mouth so you have something to disagree with? i replied to right comment and you know very well what i meant, you manipulative asshole.
ignore the disingenuous troll. The “just a question” reframe is the oldest rhetorical trick in the book. Shifting the argument to something they can easily attack instead of engaging with your actual argument is a tale as old as time.
I recommend you just restate the original point and reject their premise outright
There is no part of the OC that suggests a positive or negative moral or ethical assessment of the behaviors they described.
That is an easier argument to attack than what was actually described (a series of cause and effect), projected onto the scenario provided in the OC.
Acknowledging the motivations and logic of others, even those you disagree with, is not an endorsement of them. It is a fact that what OC described is how the history of capitalism played out in practice (with a large spoonful of corrupt lobbying to drive those wages down and profits for capital holders up).
I hope that clears things up. You weren’t “just asking a question”. You were presuming a specific answer and asking them to verify your presumption. If you were genuinely asking a question about how it was read, you could have easily said “I read the OC to imply that workers should be exploited. Is that the fact you’re referring to? I ask because that seems too callous to be true.”
Look, communication online is hard. If you want to be angry, I can’t stop you.
You said
it is a fact. facts are not pro- or anti- something, they just are.
To which I replied:
It’s true that capitalists deserve to exploit workers?
Which is asking if you believe this to be true.
The text I couldn’t tell was pro capitalism or not presents the idea that the capitalists deserve to alienate workers from their work (the exploitation), and that the worker is too stupid and prejudiced to understand his own interests. So when someone says it’s the truth, I’m wondering if they agree with it or they view it as satire or something. Because I don’t know, I ask.
Anyways, I hope capitalism helps you be less mad on the internet. It can’t be good for you.
It’s true that capitalists deserve to exploit workers?
where do you see such statement in the comment i reacted to? some red circles would help.
Does react mean reply? You replied to my comment which was
Maybe you replied to the wrong comment?
where did i say or agreed to that “workers deserve to be exploited”, the sentence YOU put in my mouth so you have something to disagree with? i replied to right comment and you know very well what i meant, you manipulative asshole.
Where did I say you said anything?
i hope you are not going to play the game of “i did not say that, i was just asking”, because that would be pathetically lame.
ignore the disingenuous troll. The “just a question” reframe is the oldest rhetorical trick in the book. Shifting the argument to something they can easily attack instead of engaging with your actual argument is a tale as old as time.
I recommend you just restate the original point and reject their premise outright
What argument? They said the text was the truth and I asked if they understood it to mean the same thing I did.
There is no part of the OC that suggests a positive or negative moral or ethical assessment of the behaviors they described.
That is an easier argument to attack than what was actually described (a series of cause and effect), projected onto the scenario provided in the OC.
Acknowledging the motivations and logic of others, even those you disagree with, is not an endorsement of them. It is a fact that what OC described is how the history of capitalism played out in practice (with a large spoonful of corrupt lobbying to drive those wages down and profits for capital holders up).
I hope that clears things up. You weren’t “just asking a question”. You were presuming a specific answer and asking them to verify your presumption. If you were genuinely asking a question about how it was read, you could have easily said “I read the OC to imply that workers should be exploited. Is that the fact you’re referring to? I ask because that seems too callous to be true.”
Look, communication online is hard. If you want to be angry, I can’t stop you.
You said
To which I replied:
Which is asking if you believe this to be true.
The text I couldn’t tell was pro capitalism or not presents the idea that the capitalists deserve to alienate workers from their work (the exploitation), and that the worker is too stupid and prejudiced to understand his own interests. So when someone says it’s the truth, I’m wondering if they agree with it or they view it as satire or something. Because I don’t know, I ask.
Anyways, I hope capitalism helps you be less mad on the internet. It can’t be good for you.