There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don’t respond instead of wasting everyones time.
That does not mean it is popular here
Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think “I win” then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie?
Until we all see that, we will generally bounce between unregulated capitalism and (what I favor) which is well regulated capitalism with worker and environmental protections.
Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution.
So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong.
Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that.
I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing “insults” with “attacking the argument through the character”. Of course you wouldn’t know that, halfwit that you are.
The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion.
Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence.
You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn’t worked “here” whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today.
Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day.
So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world.
Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk.
I assert that that’s all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here.
We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR.
Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk.
Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie.
For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal.
As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this.
Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie.
This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don’t have an answer.
You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal.
As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this.
Nah. It can’t be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You’re just diverting from that fact because you don’t actually have an answer.
Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there’s no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don’t want them currently.
Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind
Distracting from the main point
The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it.
You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you’ve sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot.
I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore.
There is nothing to win, we are having a discussion and you are behaving like an angry toddler, and I am asking that you behave normal in order for this conversation to be gainful. If you are not interested in dialogue, why engage in it? Just don’t respond instead of wasting everyones time.
Factually untrue, as the data shows. Furthermore if you think “I win” then that does mean it is popular there. Why do you lie?
Completely vibes-based statement with nothing supporting it. Read Reform or Revolution.
https://lemmy.world/comment/26373832
What do you feel this link provides?
Evidence of the impracticality of what you propose.
So far the only thing I have proposed is that you are wrong about your point still standing and I have supplied additional evidence to supply this. You keep trying to argue against something else because you have a weak and prideful mind, too fragile to handle being wrong.
So still answer for “how will this make a political impact in the US?” But lots of ad hominem attacks.
God damn, Reddit shitlibs really do think that “ad-hominem” is just a magic incantation to win debates they were otherwise eating shit in
Ironically your comment here is also an ad hominem attack. For the 9th time, does anyone have a practical plan for getting these political plans implemented? Please do not answer with anything but that.
Oh my fucking god, please learn what terms actually mean before regurgitating them everywhere
I have actually made 0 ad hominem so far. You are confusing “insults” with “attacking the argument through the character”. Of course you wouldn’t know that, halfwit that you are.
The rebuttal has been presented, you have failed to engage with it, you are the one halting discussion.
Ok still no plans though.
Well I would love to move on to another discussion and point out the many faulty assumptions and assertions you have made there, but to do that we have to do what I have described many times already. You seem to struggle with reason and civil discussion, consider looking inwards to deal with you having a hard time with simple challenges to your beliefs and a pattern of changing the topic instead of engaging with the text at hand, when that text refutes your pointless vibes-based anecdotal evidence.
You are making a claim but you have no proof for it. What hasn’t worked “here” whereever that is? If you are talking about socialism in the east block it very clearly did work. It was massively popular, improved the living conditions for the population and only fell after decades of capitalist subversion and even then it had to be done through a military coup. And, as the evidence available shows, it is missed today.
Elsewhere it is still massively succesful to this very day.
So I dont understand your question, it seems to be based on a completely fallacious understanding of the world.
Then why don’t we have this as our current form of government? How to you propose to get everyone to buy in to this in the US? If you can’t reduce it to practice, this is just impractical Internet bullshit talk.
I assert that that’s all this will ever be. We have zero chance of this being implemented here.
We do however have a chance of getting back to regulated capitalism. All we need is a new TR.
Finish your argument before you start a new one sweetie.
For us to be able to go deeper into discussion we need to first agree on the facts that form the basis of the discussion, which we do not at the moment. You have to either accept that your point was wrong and integrate that acceptance into your line of argument or argue for your point being correct - This is done by either supplying sufficient empirical data that helps create some synthesis with the rest of the data or you go through the given data and explain why it is faulty or insufficient as a basis for a rebuttal.
As the rest of the comment you are responding to explains, you have still yet to do this.
This is condescending and intended to distract from the main point by being inflammatory You keep dodging because you don’t have an answer.
Nah. It can’t be popular enough to work here. If it could, you would have said how. You’re just diverting from that fact because you don’t actually have an answer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity
Lmk when you want to actually make progress on anything regarding this topic and not just nitpick tediously. The main point is that there’s no way to get those political systems to fly here because people don’t want them currently.
Correct, you are behaving poorly so I am treating you in kind
The only one distracting from anything is you. You are the one who seeks discussion and then flees at challenge, I am holding you to it.
You are now attempting to give yourself a plausible exit where you can save face, which is very funny since the only audience is you and me, yet your ego can still not handle it. Sadly the exit-strategy you’ve sought is ill-fitting, since both you and I are aware that you are the one who has been avoiding discussion, instead seeking to change the subject at every turn. It is no surprise that you would do something like this, you seem to be a fucking idiot.
I still hold out hope you will be able to do the bare minimum, but I cannot be disappointed by you anymore.