• Cellery@quokk.auBanned
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    11 days ago

    Don’t vote, collapse, the rest of the world benefits. Seriously. Enough with the USA. Fine by me. If you’re in debate mode answer me this: if the United States falls, why would the rest of the world care?

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      11 days ago

      If you’re in Straya, which your instance suggests, you should care a very great deal.

      Go type in Pine Gap somewhere.

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        11 days ago

        Wait are you bringing Pine Gap as a point in favour to the US? “If the US falls so will global surveillance” should be something to be worried about? Lmao

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          11 days ago

          It was a poor point on the assumption our friend was aussie.

          Pine Gap illustrates the deep dependency of Australia on American military protection. If the US is further destabilised, then several former allies like Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Japan and others will have to find security partners with others, which incidentally is exactly what those type of accounts are rooting for.

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            11 days ago

            “those types of accounts” meaning non-americans? I too welcome the fall of the US military hegemony. All those overseas bases serve the US way more than the hosting country, even though it’s always painted as the gracious protecting wing of uncle sam

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              11 days ago

              Just aiming for the downfall of a nation of 330m people who have the most powerful military in the world while they are competely submissive to the most dangerous Zionist cult through blackmail isn’t going to be the fireworks you’re hoping it will be.

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                11 days ago

                I am not under the illusion that it’s going to be fun. But the recent past and present aren’t either, and those 330m people have been dragging the remaining 8b in their folly

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                  11 days ago

                  Yes, so let’s encourage them to vote and make a stand. In no recent election have we gotten close to a landslide win for anyone. Most elections are 51-49 affairs. Imagine what a blowout result could do to invigorate Americans to take their country back. Military industrial complex and all.

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                    10 days ago

                    Because it’s a set up and a distraction. Every election is ‘the most important election’ or ‘the last chance to defend democracy’. Meanwhile Democrats get further and further right, even moderately left wing candidates are dragged, destroyed and disgraced, and it’s a bigger fucking circus every time. Your 2 party system is beyond broken, it’s working exactly as calculated and intended by the corporate interests that have completely captured and infiltrated it. You go ahead and vote but don’t fool yourself into thinking anything is going to change for the better no matter what happens.

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          11 days ago

          Ok, well, let’s assume you’re here with us on earth –and let’s hope you’re not the obvious kiwi laughing at the demise of the world from a small couple of islands in the Pacific, that are actually giant dormant super volcanoes.

          If you can see the US led destabilisation in just the last 18 months, which may be difficult, because there is so much news. And if you understand exponential curves, which is even harder, then you tell me how leaving trump in office is fun, entertaining, or healthy for the future of the human race?

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            11 days ago

            Trump is actually far less of a problem for people outside of the USA as long as the USA is not currently bombing you or raping your children.

            The solution will happen, and whatever it is will end in death. It’s up to people in the USA to decide if it will be the rulers, as usual, or the people.

            I know where my money is placed.

            But hey, you guys will be fine and I’ll be eating my hat next month. Nothing will happen in January, and it will be anxiety inducing business as usual.