I assure you they’re not waking up in the morning and telling themselves “I’m gonna support fascism” before heading to polls and voting blue.
They already admitted that they did that though.
We’re not going to get change overnight without a very major and violent tragedy. Great Depression and The Dust Bowl lead to the New Deal. It seems another global depression will be coming our way if USA doesn’t stop their shenanigans.
Agreed, but I’d add that I think we’re already in a global depression. The people in charge are good at making it seem like we aren’t there yet.
Seen the unrest in EU countries over collapsing social services, broken social contract, rising poverty and crumbling infrastructure? We’re so used to it and numb in North America that we’re just putting up with it instead of taking to the streets. We’re fighting culture wars and worried about “sharia law” and the muslim mayor of London even though we can’t afford to visit London or take days off work.
Well, the Libs are. Other people are taking to the streets and fighting against it. I’m helping support those people, while pointing out how the Libs are fighting against fixing things.
Things will change. But not as fast as some of us wish. In the meantime, build bridges with the fellow plebs. Be like Bernie Sanders. He sat with them and he’s still not a fascist.
No, but he is an imperialist. And fascism comes from imperialism.
I didn’t see what makes you say he’s imperialist here.
He gave calm rational, calculated answers. He couldn’t have made it more clear that he’s taking about the distinction of Palestinian people from the armed insurgents.
Israel was wanting to use it as an excuse to do their “lawn mowing”. You can’t tell me they’re brilliant enough to carry out pager attacks and be dumb enough to know nothing about Hamas attack.
Sanders isn’t going to side with Global Intifada and cheer for Hamas ffs. That doesn’t mean he’s supporting Israeli government wholesale.
That’s literally how many countries came into existence.
We can not expect modern country called Turkiye to dismantle just because Central Asian people moved in and built on top on Byzantium.
Israel exists. The solution to the problem isn’t to globalized intifada and jihad. It’s not sharia. It’s not privileged westerners converting to Islam and wearing hijab on tiktok as a protest.
Sanders is a very smart, career politician who is one of those rare politicians who believe in building up for the people. Including Palestinian people.
I respect your passion but I reject the premise that Bernie is an outright imperialist.
That’s literally how many countries came into existence.
Sure, but that doesn’t make it OK.
We can not expect modern country called Turkiye to dismantle just because Central Asian people moved in and built on top on Byzantium.
And how long ago was that? The Israeli occupation is literally within one lifetime.
Israel exists.
Yeah, that’s the part that I consider a problem.
The solution to the problem isn’t to globalized intifada and jihad. It’s not sharia. It’s not privileged westerners converting to Islam and wearing hijab on tiktok as a protest.
No, the solution is the occupiers leaving the land that they stole. Until then, Palestine has a right to defend itself.
I respect your passion but I reject the premise that Bernie is an outright imperialist.
If you don’t think that supporting empire makes one an imperialist, then I think you should read up on what imperialism means.
Alternative is to expect an ethnic cleansing. I can’t support that.
How are we to figure out who’s deported? Where do they go?
I don’t support “remigration” in Europe or my country. Why should it be acceptable in West Asia?
There are generations born within Israel at this point. It’s disingenuous to boil it down to an occupation within 1 lifetime. 1940s seems ancient history to many in my generation.
I understand the rage, trust me I do. The solution isn’t to allow Eastern European colonizers be expelled or murdered.
Alternative is to expect an ethnic cleansing. I can’t support that.
No, and I never said that. The alternative is the colonizers leaving the land that they took.
How are we to figure out who’s deported? Where do they go?
Let the Palestinians decide who is allowed to stay. The people that leave can get a chunk of land in Europe, or the US: The places that they came from, and caused the problem.
I don’t support “remigration” in Europe or my country. Why should it be acceptable in West Asia?
Palestinians didn’t support “remigration”, but we forced that on them with guns. Why should Palestine have to pay for the sins of the West? Make the people who caused the problem pay for it.
There are generations born within Israel at this point. It’s disingenuous to boil it down to an occupation within 1 lifetime. 1940s seems ancient history to many in my generation.
It seems disingenuous to say “well, we stole your land, raped, tortured, and murdered your family, but that was ages ago. Sure, a bunch of you still remember it, because you saw it with your own eyes, but why you gotta keep bringing up the old shit?”
The solution isn’t to allow Eastern European colonizers be expelled or murdered.
They already admitted that they did that though.
Agreed, but I’d add that I think we’re already in a global depression. The people in charge are good at making it seem like we aren’t there yet.
Well, the Libs are. Other people are taking to the streets and fighting against it. I’m helping support those people, while pointing out how the Libs are fighting against fixing things.
No, but he is an imperialist. And fascism comes from imperialism.
Is he really an imperialist? I genuinely don’t know nor realize that an imperialist side of him exists.
He’s been supporting Israel for years: https://www.mediaite.com/media/tv/bernie-sanders-rejects-the-idea-of-a-permanent-ceasefire-between-israel-and-hamas-they-want-to-destroy-israel/
I didn’t see what makes you say he’s imperialist here.
He gave calm rational, calculated answers. He couldn’t have made it more clear that he’s taking about the distinction of Palestinian people from the armed insurgents.
Israel was wanting to use it as an excuse to do their “lawn mowing”. You can’t tell me they’re brilliant enough to carry out pager attacks and be dumb enough to know nothing about Hamas attack.
Sanders isn’t going to side with Global Intifada and cheer for Hamas ffs. That doesn’t mean he’s supporting Israeli government wholesale.
Because Israel isn’t defending itself. It’s the Empire that took Palestinian land. He supports their occupation.
That’s literally how many countries came into existence.
We can not expect modern country called Turkiye to dismantle just because Central Asian people moved in and built on top on Byzantium.
Israel exists. The solution to the problem isn’t to globalized intifada and jihad. It’s not sharia. It’s not privileged westerners converting to Islam and wearing hijab on tiktok as a protest.
Sanders is a very smart, career politician who is one of those rare politicians who believe in building up for the people. Including Palestinian people.
I respect your passion but I reject the premise that Bernie is an outright imperialist.
Sure, but that doesn’t make it OK.
And how long ago was that? The Israeli occupation is literally within one lifetime.
Yeah, that’s the part that I consider a problem.
No, the solution is the occupiers leaving the land that they stole. Until then, Palestine has a right to defend itself.
If you don’t think that supporting empire makes one an imperialist, then I think you should read up on what imperialism means.
Alternative is to expect an ethnic cleansing. I can’t support that.
How are we to figure out who’s deported? Where do they go?
I don’t support “remigration” in Europe or my country. Why should it be acceptable in West Asia?
There are generations born within Israel at this point. It’s disingenuous to boil it down to an occupation within 1 lifetime. 1940s seems ancient history to many in my generation.
I understand the rage, trust me I do. The solution isn’t to allow Eastern European colonizers be expelled or murdered.
No, and I never said that. The alternative is the colonizers leaving the land that they took.
Let the Palestinians decide who is allowed to stay. The people that leave can get a chunk of land in Europe, or the US: The places that they came from, and caused the problem.
Palestinians didn’t support “remigration”, but we forced that on them with guns. Why should Palestine have to pay for the sins of the West? Make the people who caused the problem pay for it.
It seems disingenuous to say “well, we stole your land, raped, tortured, and murdered your family, but that was ages ago. Sure, a bunch of you still remember it, because you saw it with your own eyes, but why you gotta keep bringing up the old shit?”
I agree on the latter. I disagree on the former.