• Tristaniopsis@aussie.zone
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    9 months ago

    Israel’s actions, as usual are completely disproportionate. How about maybe stop killing people and help distribute food?

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      What exactly does Israel have to do with the food or are you so set on finding a reason to hate Israel that you make things up out of thin air?

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        9 months ago

        Are you so delusional to think that Israel has nothing to do with the current situation.

        Isn’t Israel inspecting every humanitarian aid entering Gaza, and also responsible to grant the safe passage of those aid convoys? Did they do enough to stop their far right protesters from blocking the entrance of the humanitarian aid, while methodically rejecting that there is a humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza? Aren’t they also responsible for the disband of all civil orders in Gaza?

        But yes, continue thinking that Israel is the victim here.

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          Israel the victim? Israel isn’t climbing on trucks, dude. Inspecting them or not isn’t going to change that. Who said that? Are you suffering from hallucinations?

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            As a result of Israel’s blockade, Gaza faces shortages of fuel, food, medication, water, and medical supplies.[522][524] The blockade resulted in a 90% drop in electricity availability, impacting hospital power supplies, sewage plants, and shutting down desalination plants that provide drinking water.[525] According to WHO, 27 out of 35 hospitals in Gaza were shut down by 23 November 2023.[526] Human Rights Watch similarly found that Israel was using starvation as a weapon of war by deliberately denying access to food and water.[573] On 16 January 2024, UN experts accused Israel of “destroying Gaza’s food system and using food as a weapon against the Palestinian people”.[574] The United Nations has warned that a collapse of social order could result from the intense hunger among Palestinians

            Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Hamas_war

            The United Nations humanitarian office said on Friday that Israeli authorities were systematically denying it access to northern Gaza to deliver aid and this had significantly hindered the humanitarian operation there.

            Since the start of hostilities, aid deliveries to northern Gaza have been limited, and the area was cut off altogether from external aid for weeks earlier in the conflict. De Domenico said Israel was concerned about fuel deliveries and other supplies that could be diverted to Hamas, and had been reluctant to authorise aid deliveries to hospitals in north Gaza. “In particular, they have been very systematic in not allowing us to support hospitals, which is something that is reaching a level of inhumanity that, for me, is beyond comprehension,” he said.

            Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/un-deplores-israels-systematic-refusal-grant-access-north-gaza-2024-01-12/

            Far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich confirmed on Tuesday night that he was blocking shipments of flour from being transferred into the Gaza Strip in an attempt to stop it from reaching UNRWA, and thence Hamas.

            Imagine how many bombs Hamas can do with all this flour. Damn, good thing they stopped the shipment, right, better to starve those pesky Palestinian children then to feed them as they might turn up future terrorists. /s

            Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/finance-minister-blocks-flour-shipments-from-reaching-gaza/amp/

            Damn, so many hallucinating people and media reports, right? This civil order collapse or the famine in north of Gaza should not have anything to do with Israel! /s

      • NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        You sure don’t seem to know much about the situation. Let me help get your education started.

        https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20240219-israeli-protesters-block-aid-convoys-bound-for-gaza

        The UN says the protests at Nitzana and Kerem Shalom are blocking trucks from going into Gaza, hitting dwindling stocks.

        The Palestinian Red Crescent Society on Sunday evening said 123 trucks made it into Gaza via Kerem Shalom, but none had passed through Nitzana because of the protest.

        Nili Naouri, head of the far-right group “Israel is Forever”, said that “it’s completely immoral to force Israel to send humanitarian convoys of trucks to people that support Hamas, who are holding our people hostage, and are collaborating with the enemy”.

        On Sunday, members of the organisation turned up to block aid, calling it “unhumanitarian”.

        “Hamas aren’t going to gladly free our hostages if we allow aid trucks in for the civilian population of Gaza,” said Naouri.

        Her solution is simple: “Let Gazans leave Gaza” if they want help from the international community.

        https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/11/middleeast/why-only-a-trickle-of-aid-is-getting-into-gaza-mime-intl/index.html

        Lengthy inspections, rejected humanitarian aid and Israeli bombs raining down. Those are some of the hurdles to relief reaching the 2.2 million Palestinians in war-torn Gaza.

        The United Nations’ Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief, Martin Griffiths, has described the process as “in all practical terms, impossible.”

        An average of 95 aid trucks per day entered Gaza between October 10 and February 1, according to the Palestinian Red Crescent, down from 500 commercial and aid trucks a day before the war, when Palestinians weren’t facing mass displacement and starvation. Some 2 million Gazans are dependent on UN aid now.

        “The humanitarian operation and the delivery of trucks continues to be cumbersome and continues to be unnecessarily complex,” Juliette Touma, director of communications for the UN’s agency for Palestine refugees (UNRWA), told CNN.

        Humanitarian workers cannot move safely across the strip. **UN trucks carrying aid have repeatedly come under Israeli fire, according to UNRWA. On February 5, an UNRWA truck waiting to take aid into northern Gaza was hit by Israeli naval gunfire, the agency said, adding that no one was injured. **The IDF told CNN that it is looking into the incident.

      • Tristaniopsis@aussie.zone
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        9 months ago

        If Israel stopped their attack and chilled the fuck out, then the Gazans wouldn’t be starving.

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          ah, so you are saying that spilled milk can be put back in the bottle. Ok, I see now that I can safely ignore you.

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            Uh no. I’m saying a more rational response would’ve been called for.

            In fact rational responses could’ve been implemented decades ago.

            If civility can’t be implemented years ago, the next best time is now.

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            No, what they’re saying is instead of actively pouring the milk on the floor, start pouring into glass.

            You and your fucking excessiveness.

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    Congratulations on another shit headline NYT! The UN suspended food deliveries because the caravans were supposed to have Palestinian police escorts to ensure orderly distribution (you know cause starving people tend to act in desperation), but those police escorts went away because ISREAL KEPT TARGETING THE POLICE ESCORTS. Isreal creates a horde of desperate people and then murders the people responsible for protecting aid workers making it too dangerous to deliver the aid. Isreal is deliberately, though indirectly, sabotaging the aid delivery.

    But good job NYT coming up with a headline to make it seem like the Palestinians are barbarians ungratefully “looting” the generous aid deliveries. Dishonest garbage rag.

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      NYT parrots Israeli propaganda but they just won an award for their coverage of Gaza.

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      Answer this though. Who is to blame for the UN suspending aid in this case?

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        Literally Isreal according to the World Food Program itself:

        “Israeli targeting of convoys, Israeli targeting of police who are there to protect aid convoys, and then of course due to the desperation, because of the lack of aid that’s getting in, there’s just been a deterioration of civil order in Gaza that’s led to the charging and looting of aid convoys as they’re trying to make their way.”

        Low explained that in Rafah, aid convoys were accompanied by Palestinian police officers to ensure order during distribution, but that this is no longer the case because the Israeli army targeted these aid convoys in order to kill the Palestinian police.

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          Why do you cite examples in the South for an event in the North and think they apply? How many Gazans are in Rafah? how many are in Gaza city?

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            Take it up with the WFP, that’s their stated reason for haulting aid, because Isreal is targeting their conveys. I don’t know what kind of looney toons world you live in where an aid organization getting targeted by an army in one area is going to feel safe delivering in other areas. Don’t strain yourself, making up justifications for a genocidal state is hard and the cognitive dissonance takes a toll, so just pace yourself.

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        Who is to blame for the almost 30,000 Palestinian deaths - mostly women and children?

        Israel, the IDF and Netanhayu … that’s who.

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          Congratulations. That is the correct answer to the question that WASN’T asked. now maybe you would like to answer the question that WAS asked?