My current phone is a Samsung. Got it before i knew about all this. To get GrapheneOS I’d need to get a Pixel

I have an eSIM which my research showed is a little difficult to get working on GrapheneOS. Also the fact that Verizon sells them locked and doesn’t provide support for non stock OSes. I would have to switch out for a regular SIM, though I simply haven’t found the time. Also I haven’t fully paid off my current phone.

I’ve been planning to switch to GrapheneOS soon, though my carrier (Verizon) makes it kinda difficult.

We weren’t the closest friends, and we fought too much anyways.

Like other people have suggested, maybe get a second phone (one of those really cheap ones with play Services) and use that for that stuff, and keep your main personal phone google-free.

I think Linux phones will gain some real traction within five years. Last I heard, KDE is putting great effort into making apps for Plasma Mobile

Someone actually said that to me the other day. (I am no longer friends with that person). I think its because people (especially americans) see that almost everyone is using iPhone so their tiny social media influenced brains say “If EveRy oNe USes ipHonE it beTteR”. Meanwhile us sensible people just sit here internally screaming.

Yes, banking apps, streaming apps, even some shopping apps. This has been a problem for a long time. Sometimes its for “security” reasons and sometimes its simply because the app uses Play Service APIs. Another issue on de-googled systems is push notifications, though that is often fixed through alternates like Unified Push

I feel like It’d be mostly clueless kids, because a lot people who don’t understand the psychological risks are probably still scared of AI and don’t want it in their lives. (At least in my experience.)

True…. I heard GrapheneOS is having trouble porting to the Pixel 10

Google’s developer verification will only run on mainstream Android with play services. It’s not supposed won’t be running in standard AOSP so the easiest solution would be to switch to a custom ROM like GrapheneOS.

Do it you fucking orange, do it.

But don’t be surprised when half your population moves to a better country.

I understand your point of view, I think this petition is more of a personal attempt at advocacy, I think for example that this should be aimed at parents to make them stricter on the matter. The problem is that most parents don’t understand the dangers of social media, so the most effective solution would be to “educate” them.

I did consider petitioning a complete ban, but like you said, I figured that would be impossible. Right now, all im really trying to do is spread awareness. Trying to find ways to share this while avoiding algorithmic social media isn’t exactly that easy.

To answer your original question, the desired outcome would be to give parents a bigger understanding of the issue and well as an understanding of the alternatives. To make parents stricter about the matter.

I completely understand and agree with that. I am also against the horrid ID verification. I’m not trying to support that, but the social media problem is still extremely serious. However, the petition is all about the algorithmic social media, and in fact promotes federated platforms like lemmy and Mastodon, which don’t and shouldn’t use age verification. If teenagers grow up around the idea that the algorithmic media is bad, and are taught to use these federated sites, they will likely continue that into adulthood, factoring out the age verification.

There is not much plan on that yet. The point of these petitions is to attract attention, for example, from governments, to show them that there are a lot of people who care about something. Also to help spread awareness of the matter. With all the age verification stuff going around, something like this is very possible. What I’m trying to do right now is simply gather any signatures so change.org would promote my petition, again, to spread awareness.

Not more than 20. I am very conscious of how many tabs I have open