I am just telling you how things were from the perspective of someone that lived those times

First 100 year old Lemmy user?

🤣 You are so far from a serious person. I wish you the best in life and hope you maturebas you age. 🤣

the fact of your mere association with your instance is enough to tar you with the stain of their bigotry

Fuck you. Stop lying. Try be a better person.

Pointing out imperial aligned sources aren’t socialist and have a narrative is no true Scotsman? Are you sure you know what that phrase means? Might as well just link a Radio Free Asia article cut the natopedia middleman.

You are disgusting calling me transphobic for simply using this site. Also what dictator am I stanning? I am simply calling out your lazy source that is clearly filled with American propaganda sources. If you take American propaganda outlets at face value you shouldn’t call yourself an anarchist you’re a lib. One who is severely detached from history and reality at that. I don’t support the Devs? I have never donated and there are no ads? I don’t know them personally. You seem like a shitty person and a petulant child.

The Nation, The Diplomat, Center for European Policy Analysis, The Week, Jamestown Foundation, The central Asian caucus analyst, The Japan times, The Guardian, transnational institute, The Washington post, the daily telegraph, Harvard international review, financial times, the times of India, the Carnegie endowment, Nikkei Asia, the economic times, lowly institute, New York Times, the wall Street journal, human rights watch, foreign policy, BBC, Tibetan review, Taipei times.

I wonder if something ties all these sources together? Maybe an ideological alignment? People like you give anarchists a bad name.

Lmao you should check the sources on natopedia before you post. Western tabloids and government spin off NGO’s.

He’s an Indian nationalist he’s not going to make sense when it comes to China.

Ah you’re a reactionary spouting tofu dreg and other nonsense. You should try look into things outside your nationalist bubble.

Edit:

“I am not at all calling China’s capabilities low in terms of creating a war machine.”

China’s comparative advantage over the past forty years has been poverty eradication, infrastructure build-out, electrification, and industrial capacity. Reducing that to militarism is either ignorance or bad faith. Where’s your high speed rail? Where are your clean streets? Why is your literacy so low? Why do you have so many shanty towns? Why do your tech expos have to pretend Chinese tech is Indian invented?

“India is what sends the disaster relief resources…”

India administers those territories. Of course it sends relief? Are you an idiot?

“China considers blocking natural resources…”

There is no evidence that China has cut off Brahmaputra flow to manufacture discontent. The projects are run-of-river. Seasonal fluctuations are monsoon-driven. You are asserting intent without evidence. That is speculation.

“China took longer to admit air-quality problems…”

China’s PM2.5 levels have declined substantially since 2013 after aggressive regulatory intervention. India today has multiple cities ranking among the most polluted globally by annual average concentration. If the metric is environmental turnaround after crisis recognition, China’s trend line is steeper. You are ignoring trajectory and focusing on narrative.

“Actual quality of buildings…”

“Tofu dreg” is a meme, not a dataset. China has built the largest high-speed rail network on earth, thousands of kilometers of expressways, and entire metropolitan regions within two decades. Failures exist, as in India, collapsed bridges, unsafe housing, infrastructure accidents. Anecdotes do not overturn macro-level engineering capacity.

“Destruction of values… erosion of older values… normal people coming out of China…”

I bet you love those caste values as you beat those dalits to keep them in line.

Are you actually arguing that the PRC would govern territory materially worse than the Indian Union does today? That China’s central state has demonstrated lower developmental capacity, weaker redistribution, and poorer integration of peripheral regions than India? If that is your stance, then it requires empirical support, because the comparative data point in the opposite direction.

Over the last four decades, China has eliminated extreme poverty at a national scale recognized even by multilateral institutions. It has built dense transport networks into frontier regions, universalized basic electrification, and industrialized at a speed unprecedented in modern history. Per capita infrastructure stock, manufacturing capacity, high-speed rail coverage, and energy generation all exceed India’s by large margins.

India remains characterized by deep regional inequality, persistent rural poverty, underemployment, and infrastructure gaps especially in peripheral areas such as the Northeast. State capacity for large-scale mobilization and coordinated development is structurally weaker. Growth has been significant, but uneven, and heavily mediated through private capital rather than centralized planning mechanisms.

If the question is resource distribution, China’s fiscal transfer system and central planning apparatus have demonstrated stronger equalization effects between coastal and inland regions than India’s center–state fiscal balance has achieved. If the question is infrastructure delivery, China’s record is quantitatively superior. If the question is poverty reduction, the scale difference is like that of an ant versus the sky.

You can criticize aspects of governance in both systems. But to assert that China would be a “worse central government” in developmental terms is not supported by comparative political economy.

Then you didn’t understand what was being said and should reread it. People work in socialist countries like I work in China we just have a minimum standard guaranteed to us and the government actually works for us instead of for corporations.

You are an interesting person

I think you replied to the wrong person

You really should read some theory and look at real socialist practice before you arrogantly state things that are just completely false.

Edit: misread the comment thought the were making the quoted point.

Highly likely or she also has a lucrative part time job outside of torturing Guantanamo victims and lying about being an activist.

I don’t know about that but what I do remember is a few years ago she tried to do an AMA on reddit stormfront to push her bs and even stormfront users were calling her out on it.

Whenever “discourse” like this comes up I am reminded of a specific clip of Kwame Ture. In it some white lib tries to catch him out with some bs gotcha about leftwing or liberatory violence I don’t remember exactly. Ture responds along the lines of:

If you were a slave would you not strike a blow to kill your master and gain your freedom?

The guy is visibly embarrassed. Which always makes me think that most of these people know (at least deep down) that liberatory and oppressive violence are fundamentally different but they also realise they are part of the oppressors so to accept this is to accept that violence against them can be justified. Which is a scary thought.

You should look into Adrian Zenz German evangelical. Also Rushan Abbas is another interesting one, alleged Uyghur activist actual Guantanamo bay interegator.

The Uyghur genocide is a fabrication by a German evangelical on a self proclaimed “mission from god to destroy china” pushed by the US government regime change NGO’s like the NED. People like you water down the term genocide every time you repeat ridiculous propaganda like this.

Out of curiosity. If your home was stolen by government backed militia death squads and you and your family were put in concentration camps before being shipped to an open air prison. If then those same militiamen were to routinely encroach on the prison to continue to beat, rape and murder men women and children with impunity while they continue to steal land and at the same time your children were tries in military court for throwing rocks at the prison wall would you not join the resistance?

If you were a slave would you not strike a blow to kill your master and gain your freedom?

Acting like the violence the oppressors inflict upon the oppressed and the liberatory violence the oppressed must use to free themselves is the same is peak colonial mentality and you should really do some introspection

You keep proving you don’t actually understand this subject. You misread, you overstate, you walk it back, and then pivot without addressing the core issue.

We already established you were wrong on literacy. You were comfortable declaring something “impossible” with zero methodological grounding.

Now you want to lean on Human Rights Watch and UN defector reports as if that settles it. HRW again is a privately funded New York NGO with no on-the-ground access in the DPRK. Its reporting relies overwhelmingly on defector testimony filtered through NGOs and institutions embedded in Western policy networks. It’s adversarial-source reporting shaped by a very specific geopolitical environment.

You might as well cite Radio Free Asia. Different logo, same alignment: institutions whose mandate or funding structure is tied to states openly hostile to the DPRK.

As for UN “reports,” most of them rely on the exact same defector pipelines. They are not independent mass surveys conducted inside the country. They are structured interviews with people who have already exited under specific political and economic incentives.

Let’s talk about those incentives.

Defectors to South Korea receive state resettlement packages, financial assistance, housing support, and integration programs. There is a media ecosystem in the South that rewards the most dramatic narratives with book deals, television appearances, NGO careers, and speaking circuits. South Korean intelligence agencies have historically screened and processed defectors. None of this automatically means “everyone is lying.” It does mean there are material incentives, institutional filters, and political framing at work.

When testimony is gathered outside the country, from a self-selecting group, processed through security services, NGOs, and Western institutions, and then presented as comprehensive evidence about 25 million people, that is not clean data. It is structurally biased evidence.

Meanwhile, anything produced inside the DPRK is dismissed out of hand as propaganda. So Western-aligned sources are presumed credible, socialist-state sources are presumed fraudulent. That asymmetry is doing all the heavy lifting in your argument.

“Hate the government, not the people” also sounds tidy until you realize the state in question survived total war, the destruction of nearly every major city, the killing of roughly 20% of its population, and decades of sanctions without collapsing internally. People lived in caves after U.S. bombing campaigns flattened urban infrastructure and flooded farmland by targeting dams.

Then came seventy years of sanctions, trade embargoes, financial isolation, technology bans, fuel restrictions, and constant military encirclement. This is long-term siege warfare in modern form.

You don’t get to wave that away as background context and then reduce everything to “the Kim family.”

If you strip out war, annihilation-level destruction, sanctions, isolation, and security compulsion and still insist governance style is the primary explanatory variable the only possible explanation is that you are supremely idiotic or are pushing western narratives on purpose.