SnoopSqueak

People have egg allergies and can’t get vaccines unfortunately.

Who told you that?

https://www.bsaci.org/resources/allergy-management/food-allergy/vaccines-and-food-allergy/mmr-vaccine-and-egg-allergy/

The amount of ovalbumin-like protein within the vaccine is extremely low (approx. 37 pg per dose) and is highly processed. While initially it was recommended that only children with a mild egg allergy could be safety vaccinated in primary care with the MMR vaccine. Multiple studies subsequently have shown that the MMR vaccine has an excellent safety record in children with an egg allergy.

Maybe there is a very, very small percentage of the population who cannot get vaccinated because of egg allergies. But that would be covered by herd immunity.

Then you have the nutters that won’t take vaxxes and then here we are.

Correct! And why are they so prevalent? Partly because the head of health and human services spent years advocating against vaccines, is himself a nutter:

The health secretary’s call for parents to vaccinate their children for measles contrasts starkly with the many years in which Kennedy has been a leading proponent of misinformation questioning the efficacy and safety of vaccinations. Even since he became the country’s top health official, he has depicted a measles vaccination as a personal choice and claimed inaccurately that the power of the inoculation is waning.

But now he doesn’t want the casualties attributed to him, so he pretends to be reasonable.

For me I had a really bad reaction to the last set of vaccines I got. I now know what Tetanus feels like in a minor way. Believe me you don’t want it, it hurts a lot.

That is unfortunate. Thank you for getting vaccinated. Some people do not have the option, it would literally kill them, as would getting certain viruses. I hope it was some kind of fluke. Do you know what the specific reaction was that caused your pain?

5 years ago, quickly contained? Noteworthy, sure, but unrelated to this article.

The question you should be asking is, “why are measles able to spread through US populations” regardless of origin? From the article:

Jha said that the dramatic rise in measles cases on Kennedy’s watch was not coincidental. “The administration has not done enough to promote vaccines. It has not done enough to highlight the harms that come from measles.”

Honestly, I’m surprised RFK Jr. changed his position at all. Some parents of children who die of measles double down on their decision not to vaccinate.

The health secretary’s call for parents to vaccinate their children for measles contrasts starkly with the many years in which Kennedy has been a leading proponent of misinformation questioning the efficacy and safety of vaccinations. Even since he became the country’s top health official, he has depicted a measles vaccination as a personal choice and claimed inaccurately that the power of the inoculation is waning.

Children are dead because of what he chose to say.

He went on to blame the outbreaks on religious communities who eschew vaccines and on global health conditions.

I mean… a broken clock is right twice a day, I suppose. But he should not be in the position he has been appointed to. More people are dying.

The fact that our lives will come to an end makes every moment we have more precious. These are unique experiences that cannot be replicated.

Easy to say, and I do believe it, but also…

Boomers like my parents chose and still choose to perpetuate abusive systems instead of opposing them. I spent too long thanking them for teaching me violence because any other reaction would be met with violence. Why am I supposed to feel grateful about being born into a backwards, burning slave world?

I am finally getting treatment for alcohol dependency. I want to stop hiding from my own life, but I don’t know how. I wasted myself on people who don’t actually care about anything but themselves. It sometimes feels like there is too much pain for anything to be worthwhile, but I am also too scared to check out early.

So… I don’t know. We have a lot of problems to solve. Things may get worse before they get better, but there is potential for things to get better. Theoretically. 🤷 I hope they get better for everyone, including you. I wish I knew.

I recently started treatment for my alcohol dependency; imo, no one should drink it. Alcohol is basically poison. It is worse the younger you start:

The brain is still developing throughout the teen years. Research shows that heavy drinking in the teen years can cause long-lasting harm to their learning, memory, and reasoning.

https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohols-effects-health/niaaa-middle-school/too-soon-too-dangerous

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And do not sleep. There are tigers.

Why would I do that when it’s not my claim? The onus is on you to show that they were disallowed.

If you can disprove the contents of the article you chose to criticize, please do.

I know what the article and the headline say. Your initial criticism is still invalid.

Can you find a source that says they were allowed to resubmit the post?

I do not have a facebook account to see the group page for myself. According to the article, the criticism was not reposted. It was banned there, as reflected by the headline.

They asked about submitting the post for approval

…which was ignored. Instead:

they were offered a meeting with Acton.

…which turned out to be a lie.

Where do you get the idea that they were allowed to resubmit the post?

the Ohio Democratic Party had demanded the criticism be removed. The caucus protested, appealed, but then relented. The criticism never went back up.

It was banned.

No. Remember? They tried that:

After deleting the original statement, we promptly asked about submitting the post for approval through the proper channels so that it could be reposted. At this point, ODP staff informed us that a meeting with Acton was on the table. After thorough discussion, caucus leadership determined this offer aligned with our goal to bring our message directly to her.

They got tricked into attending a meeting without Acton. And some of them weren’t allowed into the meeting.

That isn’t the question. The question is “why can’t the original posters resubmit through the proper channels”? Because it was banned.

The page where it could do the most good. Why is that not enough for you? It is still a ban.

They posted to Facebook. The post was taken down, allegedly because they did not go through proper channels to post it. Their requests to return the post to Facebook were met with invitations to a shitty zoom call they couldn’t enter with a person who did not attend.

that specific criticism isn’t banned because we just read that criticism in a substack

It remains forbidden from being posted on their Facebook page.

I appreciate you trying to hold headline authors accountable, but I don’t see how this headline is inaccurate.

Ohio Dem Party Has Banned Criticism Of Gov. Candidate Amy Acton Calling Trans Girls “Boys”

I think it is future-proof, too. Even if the post is restored, the fact remains that it was once banned.

Dumb fuck, it’s not all-or-nothing. Specific criticism that could make a positive difference is being censored. I’m sorry you fucked up, but please stop pretending otherwise. It was an easy mistake, but a harmful one. We should not downplay what is happening here, criticism was banned.

Your words:

But sure, let’s frame it as banning all criticism.

Criticism has been banned.

I can’t steel-man something that is blatantly false. You repeatedly insisted that they were not banning criticism. You pretended that by offering a direct meeting instead of allowing the criticism to be reposted, they were not banning any criticism.

Now what happened? She didn’t show up to the meeting and the trans people she should have apologized to were prevented from even attending.

Acton and her team are still pretending they have done nothing wrong, are still actively shielding themselves from consequences of their bad decisions.

Criticism has been banned again.

Do you still think they were being fair?

https://lemmy.today/post/57542998

Inside sources who have gone public now say the “listening session” was a debacle. Acton did not show up, her campaign manager barred Arienne Childrey—Vice Chair of the party’s Pride Caucus, a transgender candidate for the Ohio House, and Ohio’s first openly trans city council member—from even entering the Zoom call. When another advocate demanded to know why Childrey was barred, she was ejected. The Chair of the Progressive Caucus, Kim McCarthy, was locked in the waiting room during the entire “listening session.” And in the end, the campaign ultimately refused to apologize for calling trans girls “boys,” refused to retract Acton’s support for a transgender sports ban, and ended the meeting with no plans for what come next.

i am saying my belief is that they others are free to believe but not free to do whatever they want.

I don’t see the difference. They believe they are obligated to do those things, so they do those things.

There are laws for the things we can do and not do. We have the right (in the free world) to think what we want

Nobody can stop anybody from thinking their thoughts. My point is we should oppose false beliefs before they turn into harmful actions.

Please note that i am making a clear distinction between the freedom inside oneself (opinions, thoughts, beliefs) and acting on them.

What is the difference? They believe that’s how they should act, so that’s how they act.

If i believe my neighbour is an asshole, i am not and should not suddenly allowed to insult him.

Constructive criticism can change behaviors for the better, if everyone is listening to reason. Your neighbor shouldn’t be an asshole, that hurts everybody.

Unfortunately, yes. I agree on the problem.

Thank you. It is why I am a “militant” antitheist. I think that compromising with delusion gets innocent people killed needlessly.

But they believe they should do those things. Beliefs drive our actions. We should correct them every chance we get.

You: “Believe what you want.” Them: “OK, I believe my god wants to me to preach to you.” You: “Stop that.” Them: “No, my god demands it.”

Now what?

And if they believe their (utterly unproven) god wants them to restrict healthcare? Wants them to avoid vaccines? Commit genocide, take slaves, fly planes into buildings?

Innocent people are dying for the selfish beliefs of others.