So all of your ideas are so simplistic that you think no-one will disagree with you? or do you think you can kill them before they can kill you? If you are an anarchist, decide to ally yourself with communists, and start talking about guillotining, I can guarantee you it’s only a matter of time before you’re called counter-revolutionary and get killed yourself. Or you could decide not to ally with them, in which case they get added to the list of people you’ll need to kill. Making it rather long. And you can be sure that sooner or later a charismatic autocrat will take your place and use it to consolidate power. Thinking that killing our enemies is a path to victory opens up so many potential vectors through which power could be consolidated. It’s just better to do without them.

It’s not asking for sympathy. It’s asking to understand that killing them won’t fix anything. We are up against ideas. You kill Hitler, someone takes his place. The world isn’t being run by great men who we can’t do without. It’s run by people. Shuffling the names around won’t really achieve anything, you need to destroy the thing that is giving them the power. The Ideas inside peoples heads that they need to be governed. As I put very succinctly in another comment. If we can destroy those ideas we don’t need to kill anyone as they would be powerless and if we can’t killing them won’t change anything. In fact it will just allow whoever comes after to use their death as a way to drum up support for wiping you out.

If you want vengeance then lets enact it on this plane of existence, where we know what is happening to them. If you want things to change killing individuals is simply not productive.

Of course I am. Aren’t you? Being considered not anarchist/revolutionary enough and killed to maintain the purity of the anarchist/revolutionary vision². This is exactly what happens once you start considering some people as killable. The definition expands and expands and you end up with the same authoritarian structures that we try to escape from.

This kind of othering is exactly why we cannot use violence¹ as a means to advance our cause. It gives an easy solution to disagreements, fuels tribalism and sows discord.

¹: on people, property destruction isn’t violence. Killing of cops, CEOs, and politicians is always self-defence as they maintain the status quo that is killing us. Although they should always be given the option to quit.

²: kinda like what the bolsheviki did by calling everyone counter-revolutionary. This kind of thinking leads to Kronstadt.

What do you mean by this?

Oh hey, I have a quote for that: https://youtu.be/xnouj9Yz-Gs?t=35

Winning? Is that what you think it’s about? I’m not trying to win. I’m not doing this because I want to beat someone, or because I hate someone, or because I want to blame someone. It’s not because it’s fun. God knows it’s not because it’s easy. It’s not even because it works, because it hardly ever does. I do what I do because it’s right! Because it’s decent! And above all, It’s kind! It’s just that. Just kind.

Here is a section of AFAQ as well: https://anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionJ.html#secj73

And we don’t need to scare people. Fear shouldn’t be among our weapons. It creates conformity, timidness, a desire to cower and hide until it goes away. Values that are antithetical to anarchism. Or in the worse case, fighting, attacking those creating fear ruthlessly and without mercy. Nothing is more scary than someone backed into a corner. How many innocent people would be killed by rulers who want to go out in a blase of glory because they know they’ll die anyway? Their power comes from the people that uphold the social structures. To win we need to destroy the ideas that justify their power. If we can do that, we don’t need to kill them, and if we can’t, killing them will accomplish nothing, the people will just fall behind another leader, one who will now try and enact their revenge.

Revenge is a cycle, “Eye for an eye and the world would go blind”. The only thing killing will accomplish is more killing. Our success is dependent on our ideas winning, and nothing destroys peoples willingness to listen than ruthless killing.

Did you read the article? Here is a couple of sections I think put it correctly:

When we see ourselves as fighting against specific human beings rather than social phenomena, it becomes more difficult to recognize the ways that we ourselves participate in those phenomena. We externalize the problem as something outside ourselves, personifying it as an enemy that can be sacrificed to symbolically cleanse ourselves. Yet what we do to the worst of us will eventually be done to the rest of us.

Often, all it takes to be able to cease to hate a person is to succeed in making it impossible for him to pose any kind of threat to you. When someone is already in your power, it is contemptible to kill him. This is the crucial moment for any revolution, the moment when the revolutionaries have the opportunity to take gratuitous revenge, to exterminate rather than simply to defeat. If they do not pass this test, their victory will be more ignominious than any failure.

It is possible to be committed to revolutionary struggle by all means necessary without holding life cheap. It is possible to eschew the sanctimonious moralism of pacifism without thereby developing a cynical lust for blood. We need to develop the ability to wield force without ever mistaking power over others for our true objective, which is to collectively create the conditions for the freedom of all.

Have mass killings ever helped us advance our cause? […] If we seek transformation rather than conquest, we ought to appraise our victories according to a different logic than the police and militaries we confront.

The image of the guillotine is propaganda for the kind of authoritarian organization that can avail itself of that particular tool. Every tool implies the forms of social organization that are necessary to employ it.

As a tool, the guillotine takes for granted that it is impossible to transform one’s relations with the enemy, only to abolish them. What’s more, the guillotine assumes that the victim is already completely within the power of the people who employ it. By contrast with the feats of collective courage we have seen people achieve against tremendous odds in popular uprisings, the guillotine is a weapon for cowards. By refusing to slaughter our enemies wholesale, we hold open the possibility that they might one day join us in our project of transforming the world. Self-defense is necessary, but wherever we can, we should take the risk of leaving our adversaries alive. Not doing so guarantees that we will be no better than the worst of them. From a military perspective, this is a handicap; but if we truly aspire to revolution, it is the only way. “The guillotine is the law made concrete… It is not neutral and does not permit you to remain neutral. Whoever sees it quakes, mysteriously shaken to the core. All social problems set up their question mark around that blade.”-Victor Hugo, Les Misérables

So we repudiate the logic of the guillotine. We don’t want to exterminate our enemies. We don’t think the way to create harmony is to subtract everyone who does not share our ideology from the world. Our vision is a world in which many worlds fit, as Subcomandante Marcos put it—a world in which the only thing that is impossible is to dominate and oppress.

And lastly:

Precisely because it is sometimes necessary to employ force in our conflicts with the defenders of the prevailing order, it is especially important that we never lose sight of our aspirations, our compassion, and our optimism. When we are compelled to use coercive force, the only possible justification is that it is a necessary step towards creating a better world for everyone—including our enemies, or at least their children. Otherwise, we risk becoming the next Jacobins, the next defilers of the revolution.

Or to put it in my words: Letting them live is the human thing to do, even if they pose a threat. Their power does not come from who they are but from the structures that are build around them. We have to dismantle those structures, killing people doesn’t help with that. If we have reached a point where we can guillotine them we will have already won.

If you want to execute them in self-defence (as maintaining capitalism is inflecting violence on the human race, therefor killing anyone doing it is self-defence). Go for it, but make it clear that’s why you are doing it, and that there is no better way. Like destroying all the methods they use and make them powerless which will also make them stop without losing your humanity (hyperbole).

Could it be that this is a svg file? The request says “Invalid media file provided”.

Apparently slrpnk.net has a problem with svg files. Here is a screenshot png:

I don’t consider it possible for any anarchists to be heroes. They are just people who say message. This is the reason I like V. They even say who I am isn’t important, just a person in a mask, not to hide their identity but to erase it.

This is the same reason I still like listening to anti-flag. The message behind the songs remains the same no matter how horrible the person singing them is, although I anyone wants to make a cover version I would probably like that more.

With media you could go even further and put a sarcastic twist on a message and make it mean the complete opposite of what the artist intended.

Yeah. It’s incredible how stupid some comments can be when you’re tired and not really paying attention to the words you say. Lesson learnt: Always re-read every word in your post.

Accidentally read Ancap as Ancom. Shouldn’t post when Tired.

Decided to have a go myself:

Or a vertical one:

And a NB one:

Ok. I think I’m done.

Learn more of what exactly?

If you mean anarchy then I always recommend the AFAQ: https://anarchistfaq.org/afaq/index.html. (elections are handled in section J.2).

If you don’t (mean anarchy) then I don’t (have any recommendations).

The quote is in the context of socialist/anarchist ideas. If you are referring to the USian right then they are doing it because they are fascist who want to remain in power. and they’ve been making voting harder for a long time now in order to disenfranchise voters and get in power. From my anarchist point of view both neo-liberal democracy and fascism are the status-quo.

I know. I deliberately chose to use a different scale for the word to make a point. By that I mean reformist/traditionalist instead of reformist/revolutionary. Using reformist for anyone who wants to change(reform) society.

I do this quite a lot. deliberately misinterpret the point to point out the fuzziness of terms. I should probably remember to point that out whenever I do it.

“They stand for greed. They stand for hate. For nothing I believe.”

No politician can be reformist. It’s a job that requires subservience to the status quo. After all “If voting changed anything they’d make it illegal.”

One example: Instead of building a wind farm, we are arguing about economic impact, and then still stay on coal while we that argument occurs.

I agree, we should shut down the coal plants and start rationing energy instead. That way you can be sure that the green energy plants will get built efficiently. Nothing like a little discomfort to get people moving.

(This is only a half-serious point. There is a part of me that thinks this will actually work but overall I think it causes more problems than the gradual change.)

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