Do you believe we can achieve those systems with our current world order? (Liberal-facsism)

Yes. But only in the chaos caused by the disasters this world order itself inflicts on the world.

How do you implement direct democracy and scale it without interference from the capital class?

You can’t. It has to be done with the understanding that the capitalist class will do it’s utmost to destroy you.

Which system could we expect to live under that would reform

We have seen all kinds of attempts to “reform” capitalism - from Lenin’s “state capitalism” to the US’s New Deal to our current “Capitalism With Chinese Characteristics” All of them leaves the door open for the eventual re-establishment of the capitalist mode of production and it’s inevitable class domination.

what system would this task require?

We require a system of direct democracy. Some will call that anarchism, or socialism, or “council communism”… but it will all boil down to the exact same thing.

We (from the perspective of the capital class) are the pigs threatening to eat the carrot.

No. We (from the perspective of the capital class) are the pigs rejecting the carrot… therefore, it is only the fascist stick that can now protect the capitalist order.

Nothing new about this - it’s essentially what happened after WW1.

Using your analogy, how would we achieve a less exploitative relationship with the capital class?

You’re essentially asking how we stop a serial abuser from being a serial abuser.

There are two ways, of course. You either remove the victim, or you remove the serial abuser.

Somehow, I don’t think the former is an option.

No, that is a choice that

Again, liberal. That’s not my “solution” - that is what your precious status quo will be doing anyway.

You’re the real fascism enablers.

Keep telling yourself that, liberal… especially when you watch the liberals you vote for “reaching across the aisle” to your fascist cousins.

So your solution is to increase the genocide and hostility

That’s not my “solution,” liberal - that is what your precious status quo will be doing anyway.

Are you not satisfied with the completely predictable spoils of liberalism? The rich gets richer, the poor gets poorer - and the only thing liberals will tell you to do about it is to vote for them in the next election ad nauseum.

The capitalist order only allows you to engage in two seemingly contradictory but, in reality, complementary, ideologies - liberalism and fascism. That is how it protects itself from you.

Inside this paradigm, no actual fundamental change is possible - it is only the measures that the status quo takes to protect itself from threats (ie, you) that really changes. Sometimes, when you’re lucky, this measure might take the form of Keynesian economics - such as the New Deal, for instance. Sometimes, it’s a brutal fascist regime. It all depends on what is most convenient to the status quo under given conditions.

You can tell which you are getting by seeing how good the carrot is.

I just don’t think it’s better to go through fascism

Accept the liberal carrot and you won’t get the fascist stick. If the carrot is rotton to the core, just pretend it isn’t. Easy, no?

The capitalist status quo is protected by a political wing we call “liberalism” and a paramilitary wing we call “fascism.”

Carrot and stick, good cop/bad cop - pick your metaphor.

For far too long, leftists have laboured under the delusion that liberals are merely “misguided” people that can be “pushed” left as soon as we could get them to read this or that book by our favourite Beardy McDeadguy. This kind of understanding of these people we call “centrists,” “moderates,” and, by far the most accurate term, “liberals,” completely ignores the fact that it is liberalism - not fascism - that is the true ideology of privilege. Privilege that means that liberals are even more invested in the maintenance of the status quo that the rank and file of fascism are.

The left has always proven itself capable of defeating fascists - but it seems that it has no real answer to the insidious, co-opting tentacles of the liberal and the mountain of lies liberalism is built upon.

Without making conditions worse for people.

Did you happen to notice what Palestinians had to recently go through just to make people in the US’s blinkers fall off?

There are no magic wands that will make this happen without things getting much, much worse. Of course, that doesn’t mean things won’t get much, much worse anyway.

It’s our current system.

Yes, the one you just learned happily funds genocide - just like it has for more than a hundred years now.

What is a stronger and more viable path forward in your opinion?

You mean… apart from something that can be called democratic with a straight face?

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they get pissy

At least that means it’s having an effect, no?

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Damn. So that means all males (including me) are technically transgender.

I think I’ll have some coffee, then.

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I want to know how you figure fake democracy substitute qualifies as “the strongest path forward to a better system.”

Unfortunately, a liberal democracy is the strongest path forward to a better system of government/economic redistribution.

Citation needed.

One of the biggest scams liberalism pulled on us is to convince us that we exist in societies where we actually have “rights” and “freedoms.”

In reality, we exist in a society that is hierarchically based on privilege.