I don’t like that as a “feature”. shadow-anything is a terrible excuse for poor moderation. feel free to block users at a personal or instance level, or simple defederate unwelcome/spam instances.
Cant lock the conversation on other instances… Kinda feels pointless.
I disagree. You can lock conversation on piefed instance.
The moderation
It wasn’t perfect but both side brought their arguments. That’s what the most important thing for me. I’m not sure you would like to take my place and handle this mess. Nor spend the whole night on it.
Rimu posted it and he would post on other communities. I let this post so dbzer0 can reply with counter-arguments and defend themselve. You have both point of view.
There is also a post bellow on disinformation by users against dbzer0 below.
Shadow-mod is that when you have the intention to hide your mods’s action. On piefed instance, there is a lock under locked comment.
On lemmy, that’s not supported yet, so you don’t see them or there is a lack of information between those 2 softwares. So when you write a long text from lemmy and send it to piefed and you don’t see any warning…yes he wasn’t happy about it and another user.
However, that’s not piefed’s fault, nor his. He didn’t know, he discovered an issue. That feature was created 10 months ago and wasn’t used a lot. Those softwares doesn’t communicate about the lock comment yet, there is no lock and we will improve it.
For now, that’s what make Piefed different from Lemmy.
Let’s take another example, Mbin is the only threadiverse software that support microblog timeline. You can see mastodon posts.
Are piefed and lemmy shadow banning microblog ? No. There don’t support it, and that’s a Mbin feature. That’s all. Don’t try to imagine something else.
mod tools
You are speaking about several very different tools. Each of them serve a very different purpose :
Blocking : i don’t want to see you again. We will never speak to each other.
Locking post : i stop the discussion to every users. Everyone can’t reply. We change the topic.
locking part of a discussion (piefed) : i stop our discussion. We can see later and discuss on another topic elsewhere. Other users can continue their own discussion. Dbzer0 use a similar way : “disengage” and i think we should expand it to any users.
Filtering words (piefed) : mask content i don’t want to read.
And lastly, defederate isn’t simple…
I disagree with your way of moderation. Delete, ban…are bad tools. i believe we need more nuance in moderation and discussion. For example, the use of AI have there pros and cons. That’s not a black and white painting.
However, that’s not piefed’s fault, nor his. He didn’t know, he discovered an issue.
The issue that the piefed dev writes new protocols that break activitypub compatibility has been brought up before. It is not unintentional and was not unknown.
Do you imply that that was his long term goal ? Intentional. No, he made a choice. I’m not well versed on technical side. So maybe it was a bad choice from him or an alright choice because he thoughts it would work better that way. So be it.
Altough, we disagree on political side, Devs reach each other. They create a software that need communication between each other. You have to work together.
For example for flair federation, they will adapt (either piefed will change its code or lemmy) For emojis reaction they will also adapt…Another example, i reached iceshrimp dev team and asked them for the support of Piefed. Then Nutomic reached me and asked too add Lemmy too. I sent them all the info from Nutomic to iceshrimp dev team.
Admins and mods also talk to each other for banning spam, transphobia, solving issue…They are not probably on good term, there were a huge conflict but somehow they are managing the fediverse defence.
Typically mods don’t get alerted until after theres a 40+ reply chain of ‘no u’.
Realistically it is mostly a tool for when a moderator is engaged in a heated debate, and needs a stop button. The thread in question being a perfect example.
I don’t like that as a “feature”. shadow-anything is a terrible excuse for poor moderation. feel free to block users at a personal or instance level, or simple defederate unwelcome/spam instances. Cant lock the conversation on other instances… Kinda feels pointless.
I disagree. You can lock conversation on piefed instance.
The moderation
It wasn’t perfect but both side brought their arguments. That’s what the most important thing for me. I’m not sure you would like to take my place and handle this mess. Nor spend the whole night on it.
Rimu posted it and he would post on other communities. I let this post so dbzer0 can reply with counter-arguments and defend themselve. You have both point of view.
There is also a post bellow on disinformation by users against dbzer0 below.
Locking post
Are you really sure it is a shadow-mod ?
Locking comment is, for now, a Piefed’s feature and if i’m not wrong, lemmy v1 will support it : https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/5916
Lemmy were inspired by Piefed and us, the user :3
Shadow-mod is that when you have the intention to hide your mods’s action. On piefed instance, there is a lock under locked comment.
On lemmy, that’s not supported yet, so you don’t see them or there is a lack of information between those 2 softwares. So when you write a long text from lemmy and send it to piefed and you don’t see any warning…yes he wasn’t happy about it and another user.
However, that’s not piefed’s fault, nor his. He didn’t know, he discovered an issue. That feature was created 10 months ago and wasn’t used a lot. Those softwares doesn’t communicate about the lock comment yet, there is no lock and we will improve it.
For now, that’s what make Piefed different from Lemmy.
Let’s take another example, Mbin is the only threadiverse software that support microblog timeline. You can see mastodon posts.
Are piefed and lemmy shadow banning microblog ? No. There don’t support it, and that’s a Mbin feature. That’s all. Don’t try to imagine something else.
mod tools
You are speaking about several very different tools. Each of them serve a very different purpose :
And lastly, defederate isn’t simple…
I disagree with your way of moderation. Delete, ban…are bad tools. i believe we need more nuance in moderation and discussion. For example, the use of AI have there pros and cons. That’s not a black and white painting.
The issue that the piefed dev writes new protocols that break activitypub compatibility has been brought up before. It is not unintentional and was not unknown.
Do you imply that that was his long term goal ? Intentional. No, he made a choice. I’m not well versed on technical side. So maybe it was a bad choice from him or an alright choice because he thoughts it would work better that way. So be it.
Altough, we disagree on political side, Devs reach each other. They create a software that need communication between each other. You have to work together.
For example for flair federation, they will adapt (either piefed will change its code or lemmy) For emojis reaction they will also adapt…Another example, i reached iceshrimp dev team and asked them for the support of Piefed. Then Nutomic reached me and asked too add Lemmy too. I sent them all the info from Nutomic to iceshrimp dev team.
Admins and mods also talk to each other for banning spam, transphobia, solving issue…They are not probably on good term, there were a huge conflict but somehow they are managing the fediverse defence.
So…
Typically mods don’t get alerted until after theres a 40+ reply chain of ‘no u’.
Realistically it is mostly a tool for when a moderator is engaged in a heated debate, and needs a stop button. The thread in question being a perfect example.
Yep that’s why i think we should expand it to users :)