I hope people will read past the propagandist headline.
The proposal, as it was last week, is essentially you Palestine give us everything we want and all your negotiating power, we Israel will stop murdering you for Ramadan, then we’re back in force after regrouping and no more threat of bad PR for killing our own…
That’s not a framework for a ceasefire or a peace deal. It also plays that Israel is ready for peace and it’s Hamas holding it back as always. When you’re not even close to an agreement of terms, and you “leak” such details, it’s an obvious ploy for media attention that it has received and straight out of the propaganda playbook.
That’s not hyperbole by the way. The IDF has one of the best “how to propaganda” books in the world that was developed with the US. It is freely available for anyone to read and talks about which words to use when. Which news to leak. How to frame negotiations to paint themselves positively while not allowing actual advancement. It’s a great read for everyone to be aware of when they see these methods used all over the world as it is widely adopted now.
As opposed to Hamas’ plan which is the complete destruction of Israel and all its people
Not true. Basically, they want an end to the apartheid.
Is is a complicated history but even the Hamas founding charter, which is certainly unreasonable in its fundamentalism with Sharia Law and is antisemitic, does not call for the extermination of all Jewish People. That’s a lie, and also intentionally ignores the 2017 Revised charter. Check Article 7 and 13 of the 1988 Charter to see yourself, compare it to Article 20 and 24-26 in the revised version too. Hamas has committed atrocious acts, there’s no need to make things up about Hamas to show they’ve done terrible things. Ending the occupation and having a Palestinian election for the Palestinian people to choose their own leadership is the way to diminish support for Hamas and other Armed resistance groups. Further terrorizing the West Bank and Gaza will only increase their support, which has been shown historically not only within the Occupied Palestinian Territories but throughout history.
Hamas founding charter and Revised charter 2017
History of Hamas supported by Netanyahu since 2012
Gaza Blockade is still Occupation
The Israelis “have more or less accepted” the proposal, which includes the six-week cease-fire in Gaza as well as the release by Hamas of hostages considered to be vulnerable, which includes the sick, the wounded, the elderly and women, said the official.
So…
Exactly like last week when it was supposed to have happened by now?
Israel hasn’t agreed to anything. This is a rumour that they may accept a hypothetical deal as a PR move.
Meanwhile their genocide hasn’t slowed down. They’re just trying to minimize the PR damage from gunning down all those innocent starving people
As the article says, they’ve agreed to the framework. Next they need Hamas agreement, then they need to work on detail. It’s a positive step, not negative.
No…. It’s a qualified statement. “Basically” is leaking an awful lot of water instead of carrying it.
And “agreeing to a framework” is very different to actually agreeing to an actual ceasefire.
The “official” is using an awful lot of words to say not-much.
Its a step in a process.
“It’s a step in the process!”
So is measuring the flour. Doesn’t mean we have cake- or will have cake.
Might have muffins instead.
Any process can fail.
And it’s been failing since October because Biden is a zionist and thinks Isreal can do no wrong
Ah no. There have been two negotiated ceasefire in exchange for hostages
As the article says
No.
A US official said they “have more or less accepted” it…
I literally just quoted that part.
Do you not understand how that’s different than what you’re claiming?
It’s not different, it’s the way it works. Isreal signed off on the framework.
No,
"The Israelis have basically signed on to the elements of the arrangement,” the official said
It’s very clear…
Yes, it’s clear. I wonder what you think that means.
Hold on, I just basically wrote you a check for 10 million dollars, go buy your dream home and tell the bank you’re good.
The US State department has worked with both parties on successful ceasefire. I don’t see how this is different.
Another temporary ceasefire proposal. Once again Israel prioritizes the continued bombing of Gaza over everything else
All ceasefires are temporary, otherwise they would be peace treaties.
A permanent ceasefire is where there is no date when the fighting resumes. A temporary ceasefire is when the fighting resumes after a set amount of time. But I agree that a peace treaty is the right thing to advocate for too.
So would you prefer no ceasefire?
I would prefer an actual permanent ceasefire and an end to the decade long permanent occupation. I would prefer the apartheid state to be dismantled and a new state with equal rights for both Israelis and Palestinians to take its place.
You apparently have a lot 9f experience negotiating these things, so does peace happen step by step or all in one Leap?
The time to say that was before the last ceasefire. And before Israel explicitly stated they’ll attack Rafah, with or without a ceasefire.
Literally yes if the temporary ceasefire will just let Israel continue their genocide in six weeks. Hamas has been pretty clear they won’t accept anything less than a permanent ceasefire (or as permanent as one with Israel can get) after the mess that is the last one.
Let’s let Hamas themselves figure out what their going to do. Sinwar doesn’t mind sacrificing anyone, but he may have changed his mind. It seems you want a ceasefire, but only under your conditions. It desn’t work that way.
Hamas will refuse.
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Well yes, they’ve already stated they won’t take a temporary ceasefire.
They’ve turned down every ceasefire proposal so far, but eventually they’ll have to accept one. Israel is not going to go home when there are still over a hundred hostages in Gaza.
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If Israel were interested in wiping out Gaza, the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands or millions, which would be consistent with other world conflicts.
Clearly Hamas infrastructure still exists, if they are releasing highly produced videos of hostages to torment their families.
If Israel were interested in wiping out Gaza, the death toll would be in the hundreds of thousands or millions, which would be consistent with other world conflicts.
This is a common argument but it doesn’t really hold up to scrutiny. You’re saying what would happen if Israel was interested in wiping out Gaza and didn’t care at all about their image. If they did (which they obviously do) they would have to do it more subtly. They are not just going to drop a few nukes and call it a day, that would be geopolitical suicide
that article is over a month old.
They stated their terms. At least a permanent ceasefire so they don’t get genocided after two months.
Meet our demands or we will keep up the genocide.
How about you get fucked you bunch of cunts.
Israel propaganda far exceeds that of Palestine, the US helps obviously. This is the same as Russians strive for peace with Ukraine.
IDGAF what “US” says, whoever that is, tell me what the fuck bibi said.
“lol, no.”, probably,
indubitaboobitably.
Wow, Michigan put a fire under Biden’s ass
Same thing happened to Obama before he was re elected.
