• Arete@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    This is completely, utterly uncontroversial, except by a subset of the extreme far left at war with reality. Let’s see where the downvote ratio ends up.

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        8 months ago

        I just saw people saying the attackers raped people during the attack.

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        8 months ago

        Nobody is saying this. It’s kind of racist to even assume people are, actually.

        Hamas raped a bunch of people on October 7th and the far left can’t handle that without making it a systemic race issue. That’s pretty fucked up.

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            8 months ago

            You’re confusing a political justification for war against a terrorist organization with a racial justification for genocide. There are millions of arabs living in Israel, and they aren’t being killed. Not everything is systemic racism.

            And as far as your history goes you’re missing a bunch of wars the surrounding Arab countries declared on Israel. This isn’t a simple “white people bad” situation.

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                8 months ago

                And yet Israeli Muslims, and Christians too, can vote, they can become members of the Knesset, can become high level judges, can join the military.

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                8 months ago

                Tell me about the rights of Jews in any of the surrounding Arab countries first. They don’t have any either, where they weren’t forcibly expelled.

                Comparing pre-war Gaza to the Warsaw ghetto is so fucking outlandish that I know you’ve never actually read about it. You probably read that on Twitter and have been parroting it back. I won’t argue with you on there being apartheid, but let’s lay off the extreme hyperbole.

                And as for what they were supposed to do? Maybe lay off the terrorism and take one of the several deals they get offered once a decade. They could’ve had statehood with a fucking elevated highway connecting Gaza to the West Bank, but they turned that down. Defending a 9/11 scale terrorist attack on the basis of “what else should they have done” is frankly unconscionable.

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                  8 months ago

                  “Tell me about the rights of Jews in any of the surrounding Arab countries first.” Sorry, gotta expect more out of the most moral army in the world than an eye for an eye.

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                    8 months ago

                    Who called the IDF “the most moral army in the world”? Certainly not me. However someone peddling a “white oppressor vs brown oppressed” ought to at least know the history of the region.

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                  8 months ago

                  Tell me about the rights of Jews in any of the surrounding Arab countries first. They don’t have any either, where they weren’t forcibly expelled.

                  What a low bar to set for a supposedly first world nation.

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                    8 months ago

                    The second world gets a pass on ethnic cleansing? What a weird policy.

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      8 months ago

      It’s hard to believe when israel lies about everything constantly. Once people saw how the 40 babies rumor was being spread by israel, it’s normal to be critical of information.

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        8 months ago

        I encourage you to look into how an Israeli soldier saying “1 decapitated, 40 burned” got turned into “40 decapitated” by a game of telephone. The Israeli government never claimed that, and clarified when they got asked by journalists.