Edge is pretty good…
…for downloading Firefox.
I wouldn’t even use a proprietary browser if they’d pay me for it. Let alone a chromium based one.
You don’t even need a browser
winget install Mozilla.FirefoxThat’s a weird way to write
apt install firefoxWho needs to
sudo apt install firefoxwhen it already comes preinstalled on most distros?where my zypper fam at?
That’s an usual way to write
snap install firefoxNo!
apt: ok
pacman: ok
flatpak: ok
appimage: ok
built stuff from source: ok
snap: over my dead body
True, I missed that winget is now preinstalled with newer windows versions. I don’t use windows a lot though, especially not for browsing the web.
Windows put a full page ad for windows 11 before my computer started, I’m never upgrading. Hope to God Linux gaming gets better by 2025
linux gaming is basically there at this point proton can run most games flawlessly unless you wanna play games with hyper aggressive drm or anticheat it mostly “just works”
As a linux noob, I’d say it 90% there. I got a new computer recently, decided to only install linux to see if I could dump windows entirely, expecting to dualboot eventually. The only problems I’ve had so far are Curseforge, MC realms, and One Shot. I’ve got Modded Skyrim and modded Hollow Knight working, I’m incredibly happy with linux gaming.
As Phuntis said, curseforge is easily solved with prism launcher. They have a nice GUI to browse modpacks and set up everything automatically. For mods that don’t allow direct downloads over the API, they give you a browser link you can open and automatically pull the downloaded files from your download folder.
The launcher also has integration into modrinth and a bunch of other useful features. IMO the better launcher compared to the official one, even if you don’t play modded.
Love Prism, love Modrinth, still can’t make modpack updates curseforge clients can use. Since everyone else on the server uses CF, I need to build the modpack on CF then import to Prism for myself.
I did see that making a CF modpack file might be possible soon though.
yeah I’m also quite a noob with linux I’ve only been using it for about a year and also dual boot my pc for the few games I have to for me it’s actually bethesda games mostly due to no mod managers on linux and I know there’s the workaround for MO2 which is what I use anyway but fomods didn’t work :/ I’m also actually playing through hollow knight on my deck at the moment though vanilla and that’s been working flawlessly as for curseforge dunno what you’re modding but if it’s mc I used prism launcher and that worked flawlessly way better than curseforge on even windows with that being full of bloat
Prism is life, I agree. My friends don’t, so I need a curseforge pack to distribute server updates with. The stupid part is curseforge has a working linux version, but it only does WoW.
The other one is playing on a realm. The desktop solution is supposed to be the Win10 version, but screw that. I’d love to see a mod that lets java join bedrock servers, but they all run the other way. The solution is running the android version with a third-party launcher.
Man, I just tried for a few weeks and just had no luck on the games I was trying. It maybe is there for most people, but I still ended up in the “google for commands that might resolve these weird crashes / errors” and building random packages from source. However, I tried on a gaming laptop, which have notoriously had worse support than standard discrete cards. I wonder if my experience would have been different with a standard PC. I also recognize that Steam is the answer for a lot of people, but I just don’t have that many Steam games.
What games/distro?
I was on Mint and primarily using Lutris, but tried many different WINE runners. I would have tried Ubuntu, which I think is a little closer to upstream updates, but I only had a 4gb USB stick to install from. For games, I tried Horizon: Zero Dawn (which I finally got to open, but it was running 0-3 FPS), Deus Ex: Mankind Divided, and Baldur’s Gate II (which seemed to work). I’m not giving up forever, my next gaming tower will likely run linux of some type. I do lots of self-hosting on a Ubuntu PC, so I’m pro-Linux. Just ran out of patience with the laptop!
Interesting. Got Horizon Zero Dawn to work out of the box myself but I’m using Garuda. Any chance you’re using an nVidia GPU? They tend to be a lot more fussy with Linux than AMD
Yep, sure enough nVidia 1650 laptop GPU. I tried the proprietary drivers, forced so many versions of VKD3D and DXVK to try for better performance. Oh well, my next box will have an AMD GPU.
I still have many issues regarding VR games. Mostly related to the view being delayed from what I am actually doing, making me nauseous.
For me, that’s one of the biggest issues holding me back from switching. I don’t want to bother to dual-boot OSes just for a few VR games.
It needs a larger user base before companies will make the native version for it
By not switching you play into a self fulfilling prophecy
In 2016 you had 2 or 3 AAA games releasing Linux native versions. Now you are lucky if you get a working proton version. Linux has moved backwards. Honestly I think people tried it and hit a lot of problems with it then left. 2016 was the year of the Linux desktop but it failed to capture the market.
One of the biggest problems with Linux is simply additional hard drives. If you fill up your / drive you are basically screwed of you don’t know how to use the command line. Even the easiest Linux distros suffer from this problem. With windows I just reinstall programs to a different drive. With Linux you have to learn about symlinks, create then in the right spot and even then it doesn’t help unless you have a bigger drive. Alternatively you can learn about lvm and combine your drives in to one large monolith but this is even far more work for what’s it’s in Linux literally at worst a 10 minute fix and 0 second if you just install stuff to the right drives.
Genuinely no idea how Linux gaming could be better. I’ve been playing on desktop and Steam Deck for years, both “flat” games and VR games and it just works. Sure I don’t try literally everything but with ProtonDB I’m confident it will work, or not, and decide accordingly. Obviously not all games work on Linux but definitely more quality games that I have time for. For me it just works, I spend at least 99% of my time gaming on Linux actually gaming, in fact I can’t even remember when is the last time I tinkered. I don’t even have problems with GPU drivers despite tinkering with containers with machine learning. I’m not trying to say nobody has problems or dismiss problems people do have, just sharing my experience.
I think this is overselling it a little. I still run into issues with Proton from time to time that require sigkilling it and its children, and some games (especially EA titles) are finnicky and can take a few tries to launch properly.
As for VR, SteamVR on Linux outright sucks. It virtually never works the first time I launch it and requires some combination of reconnecting hardware and restarting software and the computer, and it’s plagued with bugs (most recently the UI rendering upside down in the new beta).
Don’t get me wrong, Linux has been my primary platform for some 5 years and my only one for the last few and I’d never dream of going back to Windows, and gaming on Linux has progressed unbelievably in the time I’ve been daily-driving it. But it still isn’t totally painless and there’s definitely more room for improvement in the coming years.
Honest question - what is the current problem(s) in Linux gaming? And I don’t mean that the way it sounds, I just haven’t done it in a long long time. I mean back then it had to have a linux specific version and you had to deal with X11 mouse input.
Now with Wayland and things like steamdeck existing I’m surprised it’s not more viable.
I’m sure it’s a long list but what are the main factors? Just a curiosity. Unfortunately I just don’t get to play games these days. Still GPU and sound driver issues? Publishers refusing to take the extra steps to make a multi platform engine work on it? Too many unknowns based on flavor of Linux installed?
I’m not the guy you asked but I can answer for myself - it’s still not nearly as effortless to use for gaming as windows. I work with computers all day, so when I sit down to game at night I absolutely refuse to debug shit. For Starfield as an example, it works via proton, but the protondb page is full of “to get around X issue use the following workaround”, and I just can’t be bothered.
I use Linux for work and hobby software development, but for me to switch my gaming pc over would require it to not just be “viable”, but effortless
Thank you, that’s the perspective I was looking for.
And while i understand, it’s certainly not limited to games or Linux. I too just want things to work and it’s become a struggle for one reason or another. I can find a common thread on that but probably not the place for that.
I am optimistic though that gaming will continue to get better and that will be helpful. Despite all the faults it’s at least going in the right direction.
I will say this - nowadays I have to figure out maybe 5% of games I play on Linux, and often times those games have issues with certain windows setups too
That’s actually pretty positive. Probably a multitude of reasons but in my very limited experience with recent games they are pushed out with tons of problems on any platform. Sometimes the game was just rushed out and this is what turned me off of games for the most part. “It’s online, we can just patch it later!”
Also not a fan of paying for the privilege of being a beta tester. Open betas used to be fun times.
That said, based on yours and others replies i think it seems worth it to dig up an old ssd and try some of my games out on Linux on my main. Honestly it seems way better than what it was years ago so I should go see for myself. Thanks!
Absolutely. It’s honestly the older titles that tend to work better as well, perfect for an older setup. A nice static target for the conversion layer. Proton was pretty good 3 years ago, now it’s amazing.
Lots of Devs I’ve noticed tend to be happy to tweak things on their end to get something to work better with Proton as well, or if we’re lucky they just use Vulkan out of the gate and make it a very straightforward job.
A good benchmark is seeing how steam deck users get along with that game. If they don’t hit any snags it’s a very good chance you won’t either
Great info, thanks. Most of my hardware is old. But that’s actually a good thing I think. I have a Lenovo ideacentre i plucked back from a friend as it was gathering dust. I upgraded the ram and SSD and installed neon on a whim and it’s amazing.
That’s what sorta started tracking me back… have continued using Linux for servers but i was impressed at that desktop. Now I know neon is a bit bleeding edge so any recommendations on a distro? I started with freebsd back in the day, then gentoo for desktop, then Ubuntu minimal for servers if that helps. Not afraid to get my hands dirty but prefer simplicity.
I found a 256GB SSD that should be enough for some testing. I need to grab some files off it but then it’s ready to go. Distro advice appreciated. Remember i just want to test :) TIA
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Definitely more work to set things up the first time, though
This is ultimately my point - looking through protondb, it looks like all the games I play today work, but a good few require some workarounds, hacks, or just have crashes reported while playing
Gaming is my escape from my day job of working on software, fiddling with configs and whatnot is really the last thing I want to do when I have free time to play.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m stoked that gaming on Linux is improving so much, and I deeply look forward to the day that I can ditch Windows for good on my gaming PC, but for now its just the best tool for my requirements
Only reason I don’t switch to linux is because of both riot games and easy anti cheat(you can kinda play league of legends most of the time)
but valorant’s vanguard is just straight up built for windows so you can’t cheat in their game, so you can’t even open that game in linux
And 99% of games that use easy anti cheat are also unplayable (except elden ring somehow)
Tbh I haven’t really played their any games that fall into this category lately, but I don’t want to have to install windows every time I get a urge to play league and tilt myself
and I know that dual boot exists but I have a very limited storage right now (I’m only on a 480gb ssd since my hdd broke)
An interesting point… i didn’t even think about the anti-cheat engines nor considered they’d be bound to windows but yeah i get it, i deal with that on licensing services.
I feel your pain on storage. It’s cheaper now but it’s all relative. I’ll save your UN and hit you up if i stumble into something that may help.
A lot of EAC games work just fine on proton now. For any game released and/or updated since September 2021 enabling EAC on proton for the devs is as easy as ticking a checkbox.
My main issue is a lack of support from games like DCS, which will never get Linux support, and not having trackIR support, but I suppose that just needs someone who is experienced.
Also I can’t play fortnite/cod and that’s what my friends play.
Hah I had to look some of that up. I bet I could guess your age within a couple years. :)
DCS seems like a cash grab and travkir thing seems quite the gimmick. But i understand you wanting to play with your friends and so do they and they aren’t going to bring Linux support despite it’s likely built on it.
Windows is essentially free anyway these days so you’ll just have to suck it up for now. You can disable things like realtime scanning for a performance boost. If you can’t make your own DNS try quadr9 to block a majority of the telemetry and shit.
Being able to play with your friends is more important really. Just dual boot or use a VM to get your nix skills. I’m sure many won’t agree with me and that’s cool. There is nothing Linux can’t do, yet there are apps (or games) that will simply require windows to participate. Sucks, but that’s reality.
U didn’t have to be so condescending lmao
Sorry yo, wasn’t intended that way I promise! I don’t have great people skills text based or otherwise. And actually I’m the one that sounds like an idiot anyway haha In my defense I’m quite tired and seeking excuses to not be working so yeah, my bad, no offense intended
I get that for sure! I’m also a bit uh, trigger-happy with people online. I definitely get that feeling, though.
Appreciate that but now I don’t know how to reply without sounding condescending… dammit! :) but you know, if you go back to 1995 bad boys that was how i communicated. Years later i relocated and nearly got killed for pointing out a funny and quite justified slight at a certain NFL team.
I’m not sure I have a point beyond stay trigger happy and call fuckers like me out! We all make mistakes and I have no problem being called out.
Shit, i still sound condescending don’t I? It’s just hard not to after a while. I don’t know if it’ll be Linux worthy but hit me up if you decide to try out borderlands 4. We’d be happy to have a new player in the group.
I switched back in 2019. It was pretty good then and it’s almost seamless now. Hell EAC works now and I can play Squad without any hiccups
I am glad squad works, haha
Linux gaming is even better than Windows in many ways now
How so?
Well, Elden Ring had a bug in it that killed performance, Proton was able to fix it without touching the game itself and resulted in Linux performance being markedly better.
Then with Starfield it performs about 30% faster than windows consistently.
I can force AMD FSR on any game (and I have an Nvidia card) to get a significant performance boost with no visually detectable loss in quality.
The list goes on.
Linux is still only compatible with 10000 games on Steams 70000 games store.
Windows is compatible with all of em.
It’s 12,000 and those are rated as “playable”. The majority of games on Steam would be playable out of the box, but Valve is being cautious with their verified program.
ProtonDB has over 18,000 user submissions for playable games.
There are many games in my library that aren’t listed as Steam Deck verified or even on ProtonDB and they just work.
My game still does not support proton. Fuck that game.
I hope gaming on GNU/Linux were bad, so I wouldn’t have wasted hours of my life :')
Use an ad-filled browser controlled by a megacorp, with an engine built by another megacorp?
Hmmm, I dunno
Don’t forget the OS built by a megacorp snorkeling up all your data anyways
…that they ask you to actually pay for the privilege. Because remember, windows isn’t actually free (and you pay for it if you buy a pre-built).
I feel it’s important to point out that you can simply not activate Windows and use it indefinitely
Does make you wonder though where Microsoft is getting that money from
Corporate Users. My guess is, that almost any office job where you work on a Computer has Windows as OS. You have a license for your job. The license for home usage is bonus money to Microsoft.
At least I can mostly opt out there. Or use Linux
Sure if you trust that the opt-out switches actually work.
They must do something, or Windows wouldn’t constantly turn them back on with every other update.
For all we know, Windows forgot to actually implement the settings /s
Do you think Microsoft wants to get sued by the EU?
Those opt-out work. Or at least in the EU they do.
and don’t get reset the next update.
Even better. After you’ve explicitly triggered the default change MS is like “have you tried the all new megacorp spyware? It’s not actually new, but identical to the spyware we already installed and absolutely nothing has changed in the last 10 seconds since you made the decision, but we figured we’d throw another churn barrier at you because fuck you; we own your OS. You’re our product now bitch, and that’s all you’ll ever be”
Sad but true
Well, on the other hand, said megacorp finances the only other engine (Gecko, Blink being a fork of Apples Webkit), so they don’t have to bother with monopoly restrictions.
Current web is broken.
I realize this, but technically Mozilla is still an independent entity. They also fight some Google attempts at Web DRM, so it’s still healthy competition
and web standards! chrome doesn’t care much about web standards. they regularly add new nonstandard proprieties that eventually wins because of their market-size.
who needs a standard when you are the standard /s
I hope to see servo on my device next to Firefox some day.
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aren’t they the same megacorp
I really liked Edge like a year or two ago. It seems they are trying to destroy it as fast as possible.
What did they do that you didn’t like?
Have you used it recently? They’ve gone crazy with shitty toolbars, especially on windows
The right click menu has an entry to search what is highlighted with the default search engine next to an entry to search with bing.
What does “built for Windows 10” even mean? It’s just a browser. It’s even cross platform.
Almost everything that runs on Windows was built for Windows. So it’s a true statement, but pointless. That’s like BF Goodrich advertising their tires as “built for cars”.
It’s integrated into the OS
In what way is it “integrated”? Please, I’d love to know.
Their other apps use it or part of it in the background.
Kind of like old Windows apps always used Explorer when they needed a browser
I wouldn’t be surprised if the start menu was using Edge for their search/ads
You’re telling me, that Windows now shows ads in the start menu?
Sorry, it’s probably a stupid question, but i haven’t used windows since XP.
Most are in your system notifications but you’ll have “suggested apps” in the start menu for easy one-click installs
When you try to log out you’ll see ads for OneDrive and Office 365 apparently
There’s this
That’s not really ads though.
Wow - that’s really something.
It could almost be compared to Google’s feed, included in the pixel launcher…
For some time now, every 5th or 6th card is an ad … And over time they slowly look just like the normal news cards.
Yeah, nowadays we’re getting ads forced upon us - one way or the other ads have to be seen, preferably clicked on, by us.
Maybe they meant it integrates well with other windows 10 apps?
Integrates how?
Don’t worry Gill it will set itself back as default next Tuesday
I’ve never had that happen. Either the US version of Windows is fucked, or people are bullshitting hard.
I’m still on 10, but half the shit I see people complain about with Windows I’ve never experienced personally. Maybe I’m just lucky? Maybe I just read? I don’t know, but I’m not having the same experience as a lot of people on here.
In general any bad thing about windows that it manages to fixes still gets commented about online for several years after the fact. For example: BSODs stopped being a regular thing in windows user’s life very long ago, but it took another 10 years after that for people to stop making BSOD jokes online.
Ironically enough, I actually did have my first blue screen in likely 5+ years yesterday. I was so shocked by it I wasn’t even mad, just impressed it’s been so long.
I’m in the US and have never ran into half of the stuff people say MS forces on them on a daily basis.
I think this has a lot to do with what license you bought. My old Win8 Pro key install has never had ads and shit pop back up or re-enable candy crush or whatever. One of our shitty laptops at work with a win10 home license I absolutely dread updating because there is some new bullshit nearly every time.
I’m on 11 home. :/
Same
This joke was funny when Chrome was superior, but now Edge is actually better.
maybe, but they are both proprietry spyware and chromium based. firefox is better than both
I agree. But sometimes your pages won’t load with Firefox. For you and me it’s great. We can get around it. For your parents and grandma’s, it’s a nightmare.
ive heard of that, but ive never had that happen? stock firefox seems to load everything for me, but maybe its due to spoofing a chrome useragent, or bc i tend to avoid sites like that. librewolf with default setttings, or hardened firefox is admittedly pretty buggy for a lot of websites. i would say brave is an easy upgrade from other chromiums, for family members, but i still think stock firefox is alright for that too
Mozilla isn’t exactly perfect either
Edge is stuff tacked on Chromium. How can it be better?!
It’s like saying Mac OS is just a Linux distro. It’s similar but actually pretty different when it comes to how it manages its memory.
Isn’t chrome also based on chromium? I would argue they are equally bad, because both are proprietary.
Idk, I really like Edge. It just has bad reputation due to Internet Explorer… It is actually very good imo.
It depends on what circles you’re in I suppose. But I suspect you’re right for most people that dislike it. For some of us it’s the Chromium engine it runs on, and/or the company it comes from.
Edit: So more ideological reasons. I imagine the browser itself works fine.
Yeah you’re right. I can see and I respect people’s reasons for not wanting to use windows / Microsoft products.
I just wanted to point out this as I think many people still consider edge as a bad browser. At least in my experience it works really well and I personally like the style it has and overall the “windows 11 aesthetic” Microsoft is choosing for their products.
Edge started itself on boot after a recent Windows update. It even had a little pop-up about how “helpful” it was to have it start right when my computer turns on so I can “get to browsing” faster. It’s never been set as my default. Uhg.
Make sure you go into the settings and turn everything off. It’ll run in the background and do God knows what even though you’ve turned off startup.
The weirder thing is I was replacing a users desktop the other day and updating default apps. Edge did its usual “pleas love me” bit but then so did Windows Mail as I was changing it to Outlook 365 of all things…
I’ve been using Edge for 2 years now. No problems whatsoever ever. You can stop begging MS.
Sorry Gil, it’s still chromium ;c
Gee Bing. You really are pathetic. Respect yourself dude.
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Its not hardware acceleration, it’s DRM.
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Except that you are literally saying that Chrome/Firefox doesn’t have the ability to stream HD when, in fact, they are. It’s just the shitty antics of one of the sleaziest companies in existence.
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Well, I switched to Edge for work with the latest Chrome update (since internal apps were Chromium only), and was pleasantly surprised. It actually let me turn off almost all the junk, and is responsive in a way I haven’t seen in a Chromium browser in years.
Safari and Firefox for personal use though, and nothing compelling to make me change that.
its based off of chromium, so one would expect it to be as fast as most modern browsers.
its the annoyances built on top of them, and user privacy that matters in a browser nowadays
The performance is pretty on-par with other major browsers now, but it is the obscene amount of popups built into the browser that irritates me.
I use edge for work every day, what popups?
If you need to use Chromium, just use Ungoogled-Chromium or Brave. But Firefox/LibreWolf will always be superior.
