• Buttons@programming.dev
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    6 months ago

    If China really is using TikTok for psyops, then they will refused to sell, flood TikTok with anti-government sentiment for its remaining days, and then direct people to just use the TikTok website hosted in China (is our government going to start blocking access to websites too?).

    One silver line here is “the youths” will learn, in an unusually clear way, that the government effects their lives and can screw up their lives.

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      One silver line here is “the youths” will learn, in an unusually clear way, that the government effects their lives and can screw up their lives.

      this happened to be back in the 90’s & 00’s when biden et al. spearheaded non-dischargeable student loan debt; anti-gay marriage; and a ban on gays in the military and now i’m permanently anti democrat party.

      however i don’t think think that this will have the same impact depth because being denied videos does not have the same impact on your life as your government deporting the person you built a life with because you can’t sponsor them for legal residency simply due to the fact you’re both the same sex and being driven towards taking on huge student loan debt because the military won’t let you join to obtain the college tuition part of GI bill.

      in addition: people will brand you a tankie or a “both-sides-ist” for pointing out these anti-gay & anti-youth laws online; so today’s youth will be pressured away from giving voice to it publicly.

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        I can understand your frustration. I currently feel that way towards a certain political party, but I have to keep an open mind because things change.

        For example, I don’t doubt what you said Democrats was true in past decades, but today I believe the Democrats are more friendly towards LGBT rights than Republicans are. It appears things have changed on those specific issues.

        Maybe we wont agree, but let’s at lets at least find clarity: Do you believe Republicans or Democrats are currently more friendly towards LGBT people?

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          like abortion, the democrats did nothing when they had the chance and; in my case and many others like me; they actively made it worse.

          it was hollywood that changed people’s minds on lgbt issues and democrats are simply the political beneficiaries.

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            Also, to get that clarity I was seeking. Do you:

            1. Recommend people vote for Democrats (sounds like no).
            2. Recommend people vote for Republicans.
            3. Recommend people vote for third-parties or not vote at all.

            These are the only 3 possibilities. Which are you?

            For example, if you believe that Republicans are better for LGBT issues, then I want to hear you say it: “I think Republicans are better on LGBT issues”. I have my own opinion on this which I will keep to myself, I really just want you to be clear about your view and then let everyone judge for themselves what they think is right.

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              vote for a third party if you’re in a safely red or blue state and vote your conscience otherwise.

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            All fair criticisms of Democrats in my opinion.

            The only thing I have a problem with is your “never vote Democrat” rule. You do you, but I believe voting in a way that will most help LGBT people, and most help women’s reproductive rights, etc–I believe that if you want to cast votes that most support those causes, it will sometimes require voting for a Democrat.

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              i’ve voted democrat before and will likely again; it’s fascinating how people interpret a message in a way that wasn’t said and that’s not meant as an indictment on you.

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                Earlier you said:

                i’m permanently anti democrat party

                and I read that as “I will never vote democrat”. I see now that’s not what you said.

                I too would love to see us do better than the two deeply flawed parties we have now. I wish we had a better voting system that allowed better parties.

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                  I too would love to see us do better than the two deeply flawed parties we have now. I wish we had a better voting system that allowed better parties.

                  i can understand the “better red than dead” voters because they’re getting what they want; so i mostly blame the “vote blue no matter who” voters because they have never gotten what they want and continue to believe that choosing the lesser evil option will somehow make things better even though it never has and never will.

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        i’m permanently anti democrat party.

        thats a person issue not a democrat issue.

        to be fair the people who bitch about “both sidesing” generally have a point, centrists fucking suck dude.

        Centrists will pull some shit like “well maybe, we shouldn’t ban gay marriage, but we should still restrict their rights, it’s only fair right?”

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              unfortunately for me and many others like me, politics is life due to simply existing at the intersection of every major national political topic for the last 35 years.

              calling it “politics” divorces it from reality and frames it as purely theoretical even though it’s not true; anyone calling it that is either clueless, privileged, or dog whistling. (sometimes 2 or all 3).

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                see that’s the problem though, it’s literally not life. You can go through the great depression without dying (probably)

                Politics not existing for a little while isn’t going to kill someone.

                90% of politics is just performative bullshit anyway.

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      You know TikTok is global right?

      But yeah Biden is just over here casually giving Trump better chances.

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        If ByteDance doesn’t divest of TikTok 9 months, then it will be blocked from being distributed from App Stores. Nothing will be blocked before the election, so it’s not really something which will affect the typical voter who isn’t following the news, causing them to change their vote.