This isn’t bitching so much as a curiosity. Here in Lemmy.ml, would it be considered abusive for an admin to actively participate in a discussion, then get upset and delete the same comments they themselves have been replying to?
I’d just like to clarify the administration posture of this instance. There are lots of accusations of unfairness here. I don’t know if that’s an individualistic thing or a matter of policy.
Mainly asking so I can more easily identify what discussions are not safe to participate in.
Cheers!
it looks like OP was posting CIA propaganda. Here are some resources:
Actual footage from Tiananmen square as covered by the CPC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8dqOuHqcBQ
https://youtu.be/7bl_cyYHwNQ
Explanation of what happened https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/
Translation of official government explanation
https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/
Tankman full vid
https://youtu.be/GRb4VY2dU4c
So your assertion is that Tiananmen square didn’t happen, and the OP was banned for saying that it did happen?
Edit: does anybody else find it suspicious that this comment is this account’s only one?
It’s highly suspicious yes, lol
Also not what I posted
I also wasn’t banned so… idk.
get back to reddit glowie
I don’t know what a “glowie” is.
I don’t much care for Reddit, thanks.
Edit: you almost got my with your misdirection and muddying of the waters. Fair play.
But seriously, do I understand the original post I replied to correctly? They’re saying that the OP was banned for asserting that there was a massacre in Tiananmen Square, and then presents evidence that it didn’t actually happen?
The OP was correctly banned for spreading misinformation.
The OP was supposedly banned for spreading information that supports that an event happened (The Tiananmen Square massacre), which is something that one of the most repressive media regimes that exists in the world (China) is trying to deny.
That sounds like the use of moderation powers in support of another government’s propaganda.
I just wish .ml would be more open about whose government propaganda is allowed, I guess, which echoes OP’s question.
Is it all of .ml where only Chinese propaganda is allowed, but US is not? Russian disinformation is ok, but not English? What are the lines, assuming I am interested in taking part in discourse on .ml?
Except that the event didn’t happen, there was no massacre in the Tiananmen Square. And the event that did happen in actuality is wildly different from the propaganda you’re regurgitating. Also, have no idea why you feel the need to sealion into discussions on .ml when it’s clearly that you fundamentally disagree with the views majority of people here hold.
Things did happen there. It’s very well documented, even in the sources the other person posted. There was conflict and there were deaths, of both protesters and of Chinese military/police personnel.
I’m not regurgitating any propaganda, except perhaps implicitly in my use of the word “massacre” that is quite loaded. Aside from this brief exchange I have not said anything about Tiananmen Square anywhere.
I wish to participate on .ml because I have a deep seated interest in politics, political theory, and policy. I like having my views challenged from the left of me, and accessing alternative media.
What I don’t enjoy is being constantly attacked using various logical and argumentative fallacies, and I don’t appreciate authoritarianism or the silencing of oppositional views.
Edit: and the overarching reason is that I detest echo chambers, and because of how .ml mods and admins act, I’m finding it almost impossible to break out of my own. I’m learning that it’s because .ml seems to be another echo chamber where dissenting opinions are simply silenced rather than addressed, which really sucks.
What happened was that the west tried to run a color revolution in China that failed. In fact, the organizer, who fled to US after, is on video admitting that her goal was to incite violence. Framing this as a massacre is in fact regurgitating propaganda.
https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/
Also, nobody is using any logical fallacies to attack you. What you’re being actually told is that people are tired of having to address the same talking points over and over.
Finally, the whole notion of authoritarianism is deeply infantile. Every government holds authority by virtue of having the monopoly on legal violence. The only actual question is whose interest this authority is exercised in. Is it being used in the interests of the working majority the way it is in China, or in the interests of the oligarchy the way it is in US.
Dude just read the resources and watch the videos. This isn’t a debate.
You injected discussions about Tiananmen Square into this debate. It came out of nowhere.
And I simply don’t accept the official Chinese picture of what happened. There is plenty of evidence of what happened.
What I do accept is the nuance. But you’d have to read the rest of my responses to understand that.
Huh? The point is not to accept a single source as authorative. If you watched the videos you’d realize the western account is a complete fabrication. You obvious didn’t look at them at all.
Examine ALL evidence from the event. Testimony from the Chilean embassador who was nearby at the time. All videos, photo, WikiLeaks diplomatic cables.
I don’t think you’re here on good faith as you seem to have no intellectual curiosity. I was SHOCKED when I saw the full tank man video and the footage of moloktov cocktails being thrown.