Nothing makes me happier than thinking about the reactions from the racist right when a non-white woman wins the presidency.
I honestly think you could swing a few votes by bringing up how pissed Hillary would be by not being the first woman to be president.
Don’t forget that her anniversary is coming up soon:
You know I think this might actually have legs
Oh shit!
Wud up?
I was already gonna vote for her, but this is the best reason so far.
Let me get this straight… Joe drops out and a few hundred delegates just get to choose whoever they want? Is that really how the system works?
(I’m literally asking, I don’t have a dog in this fight, I think she’s probably as good a choice as the Democrats have, just seems like a weird system)
Basically, yea. The Democratic Party makes the rules for how they pick candidates, and this is them following those rules.
Correct. There are no constitutional laws that tell us how to do this, each party makes it up, it’s only the general election where there are laws to follow.
Not only do they make their own rules, the DNC has argued in court that they have no obligation to follow those rules since they can change them whenever they want anyway.
“But here, where you have a party that’s saying, We’re gonna, you know, choose our standard bearer, and we’re gonna follow these general rules of the road, which we are voluntarily deciding, we could have — and we could have voluntarily decided that, Look, we’re gonna go into back rooms like they used to and smoke cigars and pick the candidate that way. That’s not the way it was done. But they could have. And that would have also been their right, and it would drag the Court well into party politics, internal party politics to answer those questions.” - DNC attorney Bruce Spiva
Parties could choose their candidates through Ouija boards and it’d have been fine as far as the law is concerned
Yes, pretty much. We didn’t even have primaries until the 20th century. Before that, the party would just pick the candidate at the convention. Even then, until 1968, the primaries were basically just opinion polls, and party bosses were free to ignore the primary results. In the 70s, they started forcing delegates to commit to primary voters’ choices, but that’s simply an internal party rule, and they could change it at any time. Also, even now, the party has a lot of control over who is nominated. The Superdelegates are not committed to voters’ choices, and in 2016, they were the reason the AP controversially called the primary for Hillary just before California voted. The fact that primaries take place over several weeks instead of a single day, like a general election, also gives the party time to place their thumb on the scale for their preferred candidates (something that Representatives Ford and Smith recently admitted the party did in 2020 to give Biden the nomination).
So, tl;dr: yes, the parties can do whatever they want. Until about 50 years ago, the primaries were basically just suggestions, and even now, they party is doing more to select the candidates than you realize.
This dumb shit. I want score or STAR voting.
Yes, parties pick their own candidates and there’s no rule saying we actually have to have a primary.
The parties could just put forward whatever candidate they want and push them for president, but if they do a primary they have a better chance at winning because they can select the most popular candidate with voters.
The primary is there for their benefit, not ours.
Curious question to non-US; are primaries a requirement for your party candidates, or are they chosen by the party?
I ask because I know in some countries, there’s a lot of parties and I can’t imagine it’s written in law that every single one must hold a primary…
In the UK, generally chosen by party membership. There’s been some experiments with open primaries, but nothing really substantial.
It’s probably worth mentioning that, because the timings of our elections are generally left to the whim of the Prime Minister, candidates are normally elected by the party way in advance so they’re ready just in case anything happens. Our election cycles also usually last only six weeks, which isn’t enough time to run an internal election and then campaign.
Well, in Sweden the party often chooses but you can also vote for a particular person if you’d like. It’s not mandatory though. This is for all levels, country wide, county and municipal.
This is going to massively depend on which country you live in, but frequently neither.
Parties can pick who they like, but they often allow politicians and party members to vote as part of internal selection process.
In the UK only weirdos and political extremists are party members, and the Tory party tends to spend a lot of effort trying to stop their members from having a vote.
So of the last four prime ministers.
Sunak didn’t have a vote (lost to truss before that).
Truss won an internal vote.
Johnson won an internal vote.
May was uncontested.
And this is only the internal vote. All of them became prime minister without an election. Generally you vote for a party (some pedant will claim you vote for MPs, but they do what the party says) and then the leader can change while they’re in power.
Fun fact: the Tories actually experimented with open primaries in some constituencies. I don’t expect that to last though
Interesting, and I was aware of it somewhat thanks to John Oliver (lol) but it’s good to hear explained. Iirc, you’ve got like, four viable party options at least. Good you have a little clarification!
I asked since having Harris more or less pre-chosen reminded me of that.
In Germany, the president is elected by a group of politicians and public figures, not the public. But the president’s duties are mostly ceremonial.
The chancellor, who is head of government, is elected by the members of parlament, right after the parlamentary elections.
It’s kind of a public election, because the party with the most seats in parlament gets to pick one of their members for chancellor, and that choice is made public before the elections. They announce a “chancellor candidate” well in advance.
In no election does the public get to vote on any candidates before the actual election. They’re put up by the parties in any way they choose.
It looks like Joe pulled a fairly crafty move here.
He held on long as possible, skated through the primaries as incumbents typically do, let Donnie burn up his warchest and tire himself out on all of his old guy quips.
Then with this switcheroo, Biden singlehandedly decided the next nominee and launched her off with more momentum than nearly any candidate ever gets.
Joe rides off into the sunset with his aviators and Kamala comes out kicking ass and chewing bubble gum on her first day with an extra $100m and poor Donnie hasn’t a clue what hit him (again).
That may be true now, but if she doesn’t maintain solid poll numbers over the next few weeks, the DNC won’t hesitate to replace her.
I get coalescing at this stage. But I hate the ‘its their turn’ mentality that got us the Joe 24 campaign in the first place.
While I agree with the sentiment, the coalescing around Harris is far more about her being the only real obvious choice and far less about it being “her turn”
Yeah. I just wish things all happened a few months ago so we could have had a contested convention. We have lots of choices - just a lack of circumstances to let us do it.
If we had ranked choice primaries all these problems would all just go away.
This is real; life, pure and true. Nothing ever works out perfectly and when it does there’s always something… Something that makes it tainted.
What needed to happen was a primary process. This whole situation has robbed the people of any choice. I’m going to vote for Harris, but I’m deeply unsettled by what’s happened. I think the convention should feature a pledge to hold an open primary in 2028 even if we have an incumbent.
We did have an open primary. But all the candidates decided not to run.
Its probably an issue with magazines and party officials tamping down the competition
We did not have a real primary, incumbency primaries are always just going through the motions without real challenge. Had Biden chosen to do the right thing and not seek reelection in the first place, we would have had a real primary. As it stands, we will have the first nominee since 1968 to win the nomination without a single vote from the people.
That year was such a disaster that it resulted in the creation of the current system of national binding primaries. The fact that our system is so fragile that the voice of the people can still so easily be skipped is extremely problematic. This situation demands reform or else the Democrats can take advantage of this anytime they want to avoid hearing what the people want.
Why?
