• Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Not sure I’d consider things like the ability to make your character trans a symptom of anything other than the game being made in the 21st century.

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      I think it’s a symptom because the creators using it to hide their bad games, and the idiots think the game is bad because it’s woke. If the game is already bad, it’s bad. Dragon Age games were always diverse and Dragon Age Origins was epitome of its genre. No one is talking about it being woke.

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        3 months ago

        because the creators using it to hide their bad games

        How does this work in particular? The hiding bit? Doesn’t it actually draw attention, considering how many people then spam “OMG SO WOKE!11!!angry-1!!” and so on threads everywhere?

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          They indeed draw attention. It’s basically there is no good or bad advertising from their point. However, this is a fantasy world and people would like to see psychically appealing characters, especially the playable ones. I believe this is the root issue.

          When they have no good material, they start to promote unrelated things to gameplay. This is just one of those things.

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            When they have no good material, they start to promote unrelated things to gameplay. This is just one of those things.

            Didn’t YOU just say that people focus on the visuals of characters? As in, something unrelated to gameplay?

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              Visuals are part of the experience, it’s not unrelated. Gameplay is the core, you only have make up without it. If the game turn out to be good, most of these will be forgotten. There are a lot of good games that can be considered as “woke” and no one talk about them like this. Because they are good games.

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                Visuals are part of the experience, it’s not unrelated.

                Why? Or rather, why this, but apparently not your character or their back story?

                There are a lot of good games that can be considered as “woke” and no one talk about them like this.

                [citation needed]

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                  On broader range everything in the game is part of the experience. However there is a significance order to that. Core gameplay loop comes first, every person who plays the game experience this. Back story is lore. To me lore is also important and a very enjoyable part of the games, but some people are not interested in this and they tend to skip these parts. If they are optional (like reading books in Skyrim or reading pamphlets in Shadowrun etc.) they don’t even bother with them.

                  Citation: Cyberpunk 2077, Baldur’s Gate 3, I can even put Stardew Valley in this list, though not as vocal as others. I didn’t see anyone bash these games as being woke, or maybe they are a minority if there are.

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                    So “woke” means all of the following together, trying to summarize:

                    • A game includes anything related to LGBTQ+ or political left-leaning ideology.
                    • The above is presented via non-gameplay elements. It’s fine if its in the gameplay.
                    • The game was a commercial flop or critically panned.

                    Did I sum that up correctly?

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                    Citation: Cyberpunk 2077, Baldur’s Gate 3, I can even put Stardew Valley in this list, though not as vocal as others. I didn’t see anyone bash these games as being woke, or maybe they are a minority if there are.

                    You have spend zero time in game forums talking about Baldur’s Gate 3 if you think it wasn’t criticized for being woke. The best game of the year by every metric, and conservatives got batshit insane about a slider for gender that contained “non-binary” as an option. The first year or so every second steam discussion was about that topic.