• Count042@lemmy.ml
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    22 days ago

    They absolutely should.

    This isn’t some small point, either. Your view validates mandatory minimum sentencing and other systemically racist structures.

    Judges should make judgments. It’s literally the job title. A judge is someone you’re supposed to be able to trust to take into account all the human stuff and make decisions based off it.

    You want a judge that makes the judgment call that a plea deal is okay? Fine.

    You want a judge that throws away a plea deal they think is too light? Fine.

    You want a judge that adds up minimum sentences and could be replaced by a computer? Not fine.

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      22 days ago

      Yeah sure. And how many scandals are we seeing about judges? It’s obviously not fine. This isn’t the 1800’s any more and we need to stop giving someone that much power. If a plea deal is done between the state and a defendant them the judge’s only role should be to make sure the defendant isn’t being taken advantage of. The state hardly needs protection here and the precedent for political interference in the judicial system is really not okay.

      Life isn’t a Hollywood movie where the judge is some all knowing good intentioned white guy that always does the right thing. Our founding fathers understood this, that’s why they gave us what protections they could. Now over 200 years later we’ve forgotten it all. We even have debtor’s prison back, specifically with the help of the people you say are supposed to uphold trust in law and order.

      At this point I would rather a computer than read one more Pro Publica story about a judge taking kickbacks to send kids to torture camps.

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        21 days ago

        You’re complaining about corruption in elected positions, and want to replace it by giving more power to the DA, or to remove the human aspect and give everything over a computer assigning mandatory minimums that only ever seem to go up.

        If you have a problem with corruption, you fight the corruption. You don’t consolidate power into even fewer hands, with no mercy(not that there is much of that in the first place.)

        The founding fathers were a bunch of rich white dudes, that almost to a one, fail every moral standard today. Some of them would and were considered assholes in their own time. Acting like they were incredibly thoughtful/wise elder statesmen is the only Hollywood trope either one of us has brought up. Part of the protections they did try and put into place was to spread power out, and make those positions ones that elected. You know, the stuff you want to remove?

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          21 days ago

          Congratulations, you’ve put words in my mouth. You beat that straw man so good! I never mentioned just shifting it to the DA. We have an entire civil service to use.

          And yeah they were flawed, but apparently less flawed than you. Because they understood that the people are to be protected from the state, not the other way around.

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            21 days ago

            … … Haven’t put any words in your mouth. You’re just too ignorant to recognize that you’re arguing for more centralization of power.

            You’re still doing. Is this non-existant civil service you want to create elected, or just another branch of the executive.

            Just to restate, you actually believe creating an entire new civil service with less public oversight would be easier then just combating corruption in people with elected positions? A civil service that would be less likely to become corrupt with less oversight?

            You do realize the founding fathers you venerate intentionally created three Manchus of government intentionally to protect people from the state, right? One of those branches, the one you want to get rid of, is called the judicial branch.

            Jesus, you know next to nothing of American civics and you have the gall to completely misrepresent the founding fathers to justify undoing their work to accomplish what they already created for the same person.

            I’m amazed you can even spell strawman.

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              21 days ago

              I never said I wanted to get rid of the judicial branch either. This isn’t going to be much of a conversation if you keep tilting at these strawmen.