This is a weird one. Bear with me. From !dataisbeautiful@lemmygrad.ml:

So I said to myself, “that’s a little bit weird. The US one going up, I can actually believe, but the North Korea one being lower is definitely wrong.”

I think Our World In Data is just being shoddy, as they often do.

https://www.wfp.org/countries/democratic-peoples-republic-korea

https://www.statista.com/statistics/269924/countries-most-affected-by-hunger-in-the-world-according-to-world-hunger-index/

The thing I found funny, and why I’m posting here, comes from observing why it was that they started their graph at 2003 and exactly at 2003.

I feel like you could use this as a slide in a little seminar in “how to curate your data until it matches your conclusion, instead of the other way around.”

And also, I don’t think the hunger rate suddenly dropped from epic to 0 exactly in 2003, I think more likely Our World in Data is just a little bit shoddy about their data.

  • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    11 days ago

    Bruh, I had someone told me that “China lifted millions of people out of poverty”

    Me, whose family emigrated out of China for both economic and political reasons: “Uh-huh, interesting…” 🤭 “Kinda odd so many people want to go to foreign countries, but few of those foreign countries’ Citizens want to immigrate to China… I wonder why…” 🙈

    • MrMakabar@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      11 days ago

      Not being poor, does not mean you are rich. China lifted millions out of poverty to what is global average. Obviously migrants prefer to go to the actually rich parts of the world.

    • Stovetop@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      11 days ago

      They did lift millions of people out of poverty, provided those people qualify to live in a T1 city.

      • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        11 days ago

        They did. My parents had better lives in the few years before they left, compared to when they were a kid during the Mao era. Still was not a great life, and thats why they took me and my brother and we all left.

        People defend a dictatorship and say “Quality of Lifr improved”. Well I mean, yea, thats to be expected as time goes on, improvent in quality of life is a global trend in (almost) every country, whether Democratic or Authoritarian, Capitalist or “Socialist”. Its not the “Socialism” that made China better, it was the diplomacy that opened up international trade. It was the better leadership after Mao. Mao didn’t do shit for China, Deng Xiaoping was who really opened up China and improved people’s lives (not saying Deng Xiaoping was a saint or anything, just stating facts). The “Socialism with Chinese Characteristics” was just his excuse, since he cant just be brutally honest and call it what it is, Capitalism (with tighter state control).

    • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
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      11 days ago

      it’s still kinda low overall (just look at steam’s regional pricings), but you were probably above the poverty line, especially if you managed to emigrate. and if you’re checking population under the UN poverty line, the statistic does hold up. that just means more people survive, not that more people self-actualize.

      • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        11 days ago

        you were probably above the poverty line, especially if you managed to emigrate

        Family based immigration to USA, had to wait like 13+ years, paperworks started wayy before I was born. As far as I know, it has nothing to do with how rich you are (well, beside the fact that the relative in the US has to sign a paper to “sponsor” us, basically promising to pay the government in case we took certain government benefits within 5 years of entering, which we we never took any of those government benefits btw). Basically its nust luck.

        Edit: Also, I heard that many people, particulary people from Fujian, China, have immigrated to the US without permission. Like, they didn’t even get legal permission and could get deported at any time, yet they still came here. Like that’s how much people wanted to leave.

        Which just think about it, I seemed kinda lucky tbh, most people can’t through the legal method, and is at risk of deportation come 2025 (ya know… new administration… honestly I’m not sure if legal immigrants like me are safe… 😖 hopefully, my citizenship status is good enough to not get kicked out.)

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.catOPEnglish
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      11 days ago

      Yeah, I’ve seen that. They love to post up graphs of life expectancy, income, etc, and show it going up and up after the revolutions. It kind of loses its steam when you put those graphs next to the graphs of life expectancy, income, etc, worldwide, during that same time period, and they all go up together as a more or less unified grouping as agriculture and medicine improved and the technology boosted up the whole world.