SEOUL, Nov 23 (Reuters) - A South Korean appellate court on Thursday ordered Japan to compensate a group of 16 women who were forced to work in Japanese wartime brothels, overturning a lower court ruling that dismissed the case and prompting a stern protest from Tokyo.

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    8 months ago

    Here in Japan, the term comfort women is used for the exact same reason it is used in English and around the world: it clearly and unequivocally describes the people being it is used to describe.

    It’s not a weasel word used to avoid talking about the truth. It’s just the word that people use to talk about a specific group of victims. It’s a useful term that quickly gets us to the core issue, rather than starting at an extremely vague term and requiring clarifying language every time we talk about it. It’s just basic communication.

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            Caveat: I said yes because in the past they have reported, and I don’t see a reason not to. If I check the internet, though, I don’t see an article. Yet.

            Now. The atmosphere here is somewhat complicated. The Japanese internet space is a solid ultraconservative shit hole. They are openly racists who spew hate speech. Even Yahoo Comments, the biggest news website here with user comments, have absolutely no moderation.

            Accordingly, 99.9% of the net space is full of denialism. They also point at the JPN-SK agreement Abe made, which declared that SK will not demand money from Japan for the comfort women problem.

            In reality, the agreement apparently had flaws in wording etc., and we also need to take into account that SK Supreme Court is sometimes criticized by news media for being influenced by national sentiments. Don’t get me wrong – I don’t say that’s necessarily a bad thing given that the Japanese tactics on this issue has been insincere.

            Outside the internet space, it’s even more complex. Ultraconservatives say media are pro-South Korea. But they’ll say that unless they get their racist way, so it’s not credible. It’s so sensitive it’s hard to find a balanced analysis on this one. My feeling is that they are rather neutral. They just report and silently move on without taking sides, in my eyes.

            The LDP… they are a mess. A mixture of right-leaning centrists and, again, ultraconservatives.

            If I look at the general public, I don’t see any group or person siding with south korea. It’s kind of understandable. Most people here distance themselves from politics. Ask them what they think, and they’ll just say “it’s too difficult to me”, and they’re just being honest. They don’t think comfort women were sex slaves. They also don’t think they were voluntarily cooperating. These people just don’t have an opinion. They never read up on anything political. Just watch TV, work and sleep.

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              Thanks for providing an insightful comment. Seems like politics follows a pattern everywhere. Sounds like it must be very difficult to go against the political grain in Japan

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              8 months ago

              I wish Japanese people would realize that “not having an opinion” is the same as being rather strongly in favor of whoever is currently in power.

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      8 months ago

      Woman selling or giving themselves for comfort or sex isn’t an issue.

      Being enslaved to do so is.

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      I’m a Japanese. Can you point me to your source now?

      Edit:
      Here are mine. I should’ve put these before all this nonsensical nightmare with this person that follows after.

      Government denies that “comfort women” were coerced by the Japanese military.

      A scholarly article
      explaining how Shinzo Abe’s government denied coercion in 2007.

      Here’s the formal Japanese record from the congress.

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        What source are you looking for? That comfort women refers to women forced into sexual slavery for the Japanese military during the first half of the 20th century? That’s just the definition of the word. I’m not sure what you’re asking for.

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          “comfort women”… are very specific sex slaves

          That Japanese people recognize them as sex slaves. The government, media and commoners.

          This means that I want a FORMAL source from the government. And news articles explicitly stating this. And some scholarly articles that analyze the perception among the commoners.

          No god-damn Wikipedia.

          If I don’t reply the next time, regard it a failure on your side.

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            Jesus Christ what a level of pedantry is this… I’m not engaging with this kind of bullshit, so go ahead and regard it as “a failure on my side.”

            Fucking trolls wasting everyone’s time and poisoning every discussion…

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                I made no argument. There’s nothing to source.

                You’re trying to start a kindergarten-level fight and I’m not interested in engaging in that kind of behavior. I’m here for discussion, not pedantry.

                Go waste someone else’s time with your trolling.

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                    Keep on going like I didn’t twice already say I’m not interested in engaging in trollish pedantry.

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          I raised Abe’s name because Abe’s conservative voter base who demanded such a change.

          Get rid of that “this person is not Japanese” attitude. It only humiliates you. Are you a proud nationalist or something?

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            If someone references the last well known leader to ask about a country, that’s a giant red flag that they’re lying about being from the country. Same for saying “as far as I understand” to describe the situation in that country. I’m not at all humiliated by not automatically believing someone I don’t know online behaving suspiciously, nor does it imply I’m a nationalist.

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              If someone references the last well known leader to ask about a country, that’s a giant red flag that they’re lying about being from the country

              And you were wrong. Nice try.

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                  that’s a giant red flag that they’re lying about being from the country

                  A giant red flag that was wrong. Again, nice try.

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                    Red flags are warnings that you should look into further, which I did. They’re not absolute predictors, but signs to probe. I stand by my question.

                    You asked someone else in this thread to produce a type of document that has never existed for anything (a government agreement that a word means a certain thing), then when they couldn’t, explained that an argument made without evidence is meaningless. How is due diligence about the claims people make a surprise to you?