• FoundTheVegan@kbin.social
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    A pig didn’t say they would die for you. It was murdered against its will and then you paid the killer to kill more.

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      Unlike you, I am familiar with the pig government and we actually have an agreement that we eat their death row inmates. Crime has never been so delicious.

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          You’re buying from the wrong farmer. Family farmers care a lot more about their animals than factory farms. Just another reason to buy local.

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            It is a strange way to care about someone by sending them to death. I wouldn’t leave this people rise children. Or pigs. Or any other individual.

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        And…?

        Are you telling me that you eatpork as some sort of… preemptive revenge? Because even in a hypothetical universe where pigs are top of the food chain, it would still be wrong to imprison and kill them. Which is why doing this to tiger/lion/bear would also be wrong in our universe.

        Weird comeback.

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            1. I truly AM great at parties. I’m loud, funny, cute and get REAL drunk. What’s not to love?

            2. lol personal insults means you know your argument sucks

            3. Seitan pigs in a blanket are flippin’ great. I literally serve that at parties. 😂

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        It’s called ‘buying pork’. They don’t kill them for fun and just happen to sell them afterwards.

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          when you buy pork, the person who killed the pig has already been paid.

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            That’s just useless semantics, neither funny nor clever. The pig you bought may be dead, but the money you pay will be used to raise and kill other pigs.

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                It absolutely is. If you eat pork, you indirectly pay for pigs to be slaughtered. Full stop.

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                  the pig was slaughtered in the past, before I walked into the store or decided what I’m eating this week. everyone involved was paid before all that, too.

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            It’s actually irrelevant whether or not you buy a product made from slave labour, the product is already made! How much product is made is completely independent of how much gets purchased, because that’s how markets work!

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      all the research I can find indicates there is not sufficient evidence to conclude that non-human animals understand personal mortality, so given the choice, the pig would even understand.

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        I would think the cases of non-human animals committing suicide (mostly cetaceans) would be indicative that at least some of them can comprehend personal mortality on some level. It’s a bit different if an animal doesn’t eat due to stress or whatever and starves to death, I wouldn’t call that suicide. But whales occasionally just drown themselves, that’s pretty hard to rationalize any other way

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            https://www.wellbeingintlstudiesrepository.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1201&context=animsent

            Nothing concrete of course, because it’s very difficult to study at a stage where we cannot communicate or directly observe the emotional states of animals, nor ethically design a study where one attempts to cause animals enough distress to engage in self harm or bring about their deaths (and simultaneously prove that was their intent).

            It’s in no way a concluded topic, but it doesn’t make sense to reject outright either - and I definitely think there is enough evidence around for animals understanding of their peers mortality, why start with the assumption that they have an inability to recognize their own mortality in the first place? It’s good to be skeptical, but unproven anthropomorphism is just as illogical as the opposite assumption.

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              i am open to evidence, but I do not have enough evidence now to support the belief that nonhuman animals understand personal mortality, so I do not believe that they do.

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      I didn’t expect to find any vegan message in this “pure carnist” meme post. This was the #1 comment in the post, that’s awesome!

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    Fun fact: Gas chambers are often used to kill pigs. You can hear their screaming from outside the facilities as the gas burns them to death from the inside out.

    This is common practice.

    It is plenty likely the victim in the picture whose mutilated corpse is very disrespectfully converted into sewage by now was gassed to death.

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      Stop trying to invoke the holocaust when talking about animals. Pigs aren’t people. Jews aren’t animals.

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        Nobody has said anything about the Holocaust or the Jews. This is standard practice of killing pigs.

        If you want to have a conversation about this topic, I would like to highlight that we are animals too (just a different species) and I don’t think there is any moral difference between our species and dogs or pigs when regarding killing, even when I know about our differences because at the end of the day we are just individuals we clear interests in avoiding suffering and death, and byproducts of pigs are just unnecessary to consume and cruel to get.

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    Image Transcription: Meme


    [An image of bacon sizzling on a cook surface]

    Top text: BACON IS BETTER THAN THAT GIRL (OR GUY) WHO SAID THEY WOULD DIE FOR YOU

    Bottom Text: BACON ACTUALLY DID DIE FOR YOU. BACON’S LOVE IS REAL.