Maybe instead of a candidate that gives you everything you want, a candidate that gives you most of what you want and is viable is a more reasonable expectation.
The lies people who vote third party tell themselves to justify their actions are astounding. You know the game, you know the rules and you know the consequences but still you do the wrong thing and pat yourself on the back and think yourself some sort of hero.
Moderate Democrat isn’t a bad word, and a more centrist candidate implies broad support. It’s easy to forget that on the fediverse, where the Overton window is way left of normal society.
It’s funny how the us has redefined liberalism to mean something else, because both parties generally could be considered liberal, perhaps one more liberal and one slightly less:
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law. Liberals espouse various views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion, constitutional government and privacy rights. Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.
If voting Democrat isn’t going to change anything, voting third party is definitely not going to change anything. Might as well make the higher percentage play, which is voting Democrat.
You want to give up, throw your vote away voting for some third party crank and somehow I’m the defeatist? I want some of whatever you’re smoking because it sounds really strong.
I can’t continue with this line of reasoning. You are the one whos equating voting third party with not voting and apathy. Nothing will change in the States. Never ever.
Third party, unironically.
inb4 helping the other side/first-past/throwing votes/electoral college. Gotta show em this is what happens when they are ignored.
I totally agree. It will hurt, but this lesser-evil bullshit needs to end.
Blame everyone who votes for ‘moderate’ democrats. Not the people who refuse to ‘fall in line.’
Yep. People wanna act like votes are deserved. Votes are earned and if the party hasnt shown they earn them they dont get them. Full stop.
Maybe instead of a candidate that gives you everything you want, a candidate that gives you most of what you want and is viable is a more reasonable expectation.
Except there isn’t anyone like that. Oh wait, there is. 3rd party. But then we’ll just be going in a circle again.
You forgot the viable part.
The lies people who vote third party tell themselves to justify their actions are astounding. You know the game, you know the rules and you know the consequences but still you do the wrong thing and pat yourself on the back and think yourself some sort of hero.
“If you don’t vote Republican or Republican-lite, you’re doing the wrong thing!” Jesus what a braindead take.
Renegade +5
Ditto!
Moderate Democrat isn’t a bad word, and a more centrist candidate implies broad support. It’s easy to forget that on the fediverse, where the Overton window is way left of normal society.
No, it wholeheartedly is.
There is no liberal party in the US. Only conservative, and slightly less-conservative.
It’s funny how the us has redefined liberalism to mean something else, because both parties generally could be considered liberal, perhaps one more liberal and one slightly less:
I suspect you mean social or new deal liberalism, which defines Democrats but not Republicans.
You are correct.
I don’t like the word liberal nor using it. Unfortunately, it has come to mean a point between conservatives and their dissenters.
Democrats, liberal, leftist, none of these really apply to what I am really talking about.
I think Progressive is the best, most accurate term. Other nations have parties that are more “Progressive” than “Liberal.”
It’s another reason why I’m a huge fan of talking specifics, not generalities.
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So you know all the reasons why what you choose to do is wrong but do it anyway?
You already admitted that’s not what you are actually accomplishing but I guess lying to yourself makes you feel better.
Yeah sure. Vote democrat. Nothings ever gonna change. Not now. Not ever.
If voting Democrat isn’t going to change anything, voting third party is definitely not going to change anything. Might as well make the higher percentage play, which is voting Democrat.
Sure. Keep up the defeatism. It’s what those in power want. This is probably the only American thing I will never understand.
You want to give up, throw your vote away voting for some third party crank and somehow I’m the defeatist? I want some of whatever you’re smoking because it sounds really strong.
I can’t continue with this line of reasoning. You are the one whos equating voting third party with not voting and apathy. Nothing will change in the States. Never ever.
Somehow I think I’ll find the strength to carry on without your brilliant wisdom to guide the way.
The only ones peddling defeatism here are the ones advocating for the greater evil because the aren’t getting everything they want.