Europe thinks the unthinkable: Retaliating against Russia
www.politico.eu
Countries are looking at joint offensive cyber operations and surprise military drills as Moscow steps up its campaign to destabilize NATO allies.

Ideas range from joint offensive cyber operations against Russia, and faster and more coordinated attribution of hybrid attacks by quickly pointing the finger at Moscow, to surprise NATO-led military exercises, according to two senior European government officials and three EU diplomats

“The Russians are constantly testing the limits — what is the response, how far can we go?” Latvian Foreign Minister Baiba Braže noted in an interview. A more “proactive response is needed,” she told POLITICO. “And it’s not talking that sends a signal — it’s doing.”

Finally.

      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        131·
        7 months ago

        I think that if you look around (just look at things like ChatControl, ICE in the US and the support for the Genocidal White Colonialist state of Israel in most of the West) we in the “developed” West are fast moving backwards and becoming more like Russia - more surveillance, more authoritarianist use of force, more corruption, more racism, more imperialism, a more oligarchic economic system, more concentration of power, more inequality.

        Even in a perfect World were common Russians accepted it with open arms, I’m not so sure an occupation of Russia by Western nations would ultimatelly end in them “developing” towards Western Standards rather than in Western nations finishing regressing towards Russian Standards.

          • BrowseMan@sh.itjust.works
            5·
            7 months ago

            Because of the USSR playing its role as boogyman.

            On top of that the at the time Germany and current Russia are totally different: its geography, its people, its government, its economical status.

            Occupation is generally a bad idea, but occupying RUSSIA… Very, very, very bad idea. You’d just confirm the lies the Kremlin tell its population and unite the country against the EU.

            Edit: typo

            • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
              1·
              7 months ago

              You’d just confirm the lies the Kremlin tell its population and unite the country against the EU.

              Well, sure, if you allow them to retain control of their propaganda network, and you obviously aren’t going to do that.

              The occupying force will be controlling the messaging, and if they truly are acting in a constructive manner, and truly purging the government of criminal influences and national security threats, and transparently informing the citizens of their progress in taking back the country on behalf of the citizens, then they should have a chance at possibly gaining the trust of the citizens.

              The problem is that it never goes like that. Occupiers tend to be assholes.

        • Lemminary@lemmy.world
          1·
          7 months ago

          And China, and possibly India. I’m so tired of the world powers being run by a bunch of dickheads.

    • Gary Ghost@lemmy.world
      52·
      7 months ago

      How many Russians actually want war with Ukraine? Wouldn’t bombing Moscow punish the wrong people? Bomb the kremlin

      • ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml
        6·
        7 months ago

        Unfortunately, most of them do. Obviously, still no reason to level the city, but you should not fall for that romantic thought of an oppressed populace that is secretely against the war.