• OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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    8 days ago

    Obviously, you can’t be reasoned with, so I won’t bother. Just know that I’m just as committed to my approach as ever.

    When the next election happens (after you wipe the egg off your face) I suggest you take into account that people like me exist, and that we’re not bluffing, and we’re not going to “come to our senses,” and you should factor that into your evaluation of which candidates are actually electable.

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        8 days ago

        I didn’t help ICE murder anyone. Is Claudia de la Cruz ordering the raids?

        You, on the other hand, do have blood on your hands from the Palestinians you helped murder.

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          And this is our fundamental disagreement. No action I could take would have stopped the US’s support of the genocide.

          However there was 1 action that I chose to take that could have prevented those murders. You chose in-action resulting in more deaths

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            8 days ago

            Genocide is only inevitable because a huge swath of people like you agree that it is something that isn’t too important to fundamentally change.

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              Incorrect, it needs to change. I didn’t have the power to change it in the moment. There was only one of two outcomes my vote could influence that day. The good option was nonexistent

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                That’s why I said “huge swath of people like you”. In groups, we have the power to solve these issues, but instead, you would rather make a choice between murderers and blame those who don’t want murderers in charge at all

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              It’s happening in another country on the other side of the planet, champ. Contrary to what you may believe, the U.S. isn’t world police. We don’t stop genocides in other countries with the wave of a hand or cast of a vote.

              The genocide was happening with Kamala or Trump. Trump gives it two big thumbs up. Those who didn’t vote or voted 3rd party gave Trump the permission to make an already bad situation way worse for Palestinians.

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                8 days ago

                Without US money and US bombs, the genocide couldn’t continue.

                Contrary to what you believe, the US is in fact trying to be world police and are succeeding in that mission. 128 military bases in 55 countries. Russia has military bases in 12 other countries and China has 3. The UK has 13.

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            8 days ago

            you helped ice murder

            You chose in-action

            If inaction is “helping,” then rest assured that I helped Kamala get elected and am prepared to do so again.

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              Ah yeah that totally is a logical approach to what was said.

              MAGA level logic

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                I don’t care if you think it’s “MAGA level logic.” As I said, I don’t give a shit if you think I’m acting irrationally or that I’m a bad person. I know that I’m not.

                The fact of the matter is that the only recourse you have is to demand policy concessions to my side if you want to win. Support a centrist and you’ll get another Trump. I’m “irrational,” right? So it doesn’t matter what words you say to try to convince me. Give me what I want (ending the mass slaughter of innocents) or we all go down together.

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                  I don’t give a shit if you think I’m acting irrationally or that I’m a bad person. I know that I’m not.

                  Wow we’ve just moved on to full MAGA logic with that one.

                  You know the funniest thing is you assume we’re on different sides. We’re likely not. I acted on harm reduction. I want less dead people, but apparently you want more:

                  Give me what I want (ending the mass slaughter of innocents) or we all go down together.

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                    Kamala would not have ended the mass slaughter of innocents, stop pretending that’s what you stand for.

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                  I know that I’m not.

                  I wonder if Palestinians, whose situation is way worse with Trump at the helm, give a flying fuck about your “clear” conscience.

                  Give me what I want (ending the mass slaughter of innocents) or we all go down together.

                  Spoken like a true selfish little bitch.

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                    I created an account just to say this: I am Palestinian, believe it or not, and to me and everyone I know, American presidents are all the same.

                    I don’t think that Trump is in any way better than any other candidate would have been, but I don’t care if you’re polite about committing genocide like the democrats want it to be or if you’re full on honest about committing genocide. The outcome is the same to me, I just want it to stop, "less bad“ isn’t enough.

                    Please don’t use Palestinians as a token for your agenda, because we don’t support it.

                    And now I’ll abandon this account again even though I’m very proud of the name

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                    selfish

                    I’d say this is a revealing word, except that you already openly admitted that you think American lives are inherently more valuable than those of foreigners.

                    But it’s revealing because it shows that you are fundamentally incapable of seeing Palestinians as human beings. You are therefore only able to conceive of my position as some kind of “pet cause,” that is exclusively about me and my feelings. The reality is that my position comes from a place of selflessness, of placing the lives of the marginalized victims of my country above my own concerns and interests. But in your mind, the lives of Palestinians have no value except insofar as an American, a human, cares about them.

                    You are a disgusting fascist that has no value to contribute to the discussion, you are my enemy and our goals are fundamentally opposite. Unlike you, I believe that all people are created equal. The only problem you have with Trump is that he doesn’t respect decorum, on every other point his actions are completely consistent with your chauvinistic values.

                    I only have three more words to say to scum like you: Follow Your Leader.

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          Found the simpleton unable to critically think that doesn’t understand how not voting or voting for candidates that literally CANNOT win helps the worst candidate that CAN actually win.

          The worst candidate who is now WAY, WAY worse for Palestinians.

          Good job, kid.

          EDIT: Oh Christ. You’re from .ml. Now it’s all starting to make sense.

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        8 days ago

        Funny, I thought Trump voters were responsible for Trump being in power, not the people who didn’t vote Trump.

        Regardless, I don’t care if you blame me for Trump. Just know that if similar circumstances exist again you will get the same outcome.

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          Funny, I thought Trump voters were responsible for Trump being in power, not the people who didn’t vote Trump.

          That’s because you have no capacity for critical thought and don’t grasp how not voting or voting for 3rd parties that cannot win actually helps the WORST candidate who CAN win.

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      8 days ago

      Obviously, you can’t be reasoned with

      The irony.

      When the next election happens

      Again, go get yourself enrolled in some world history classes.

      and you should factor that into your evaluation of which candidates are actually electable.

      Who did you vote for in 2024? Don’t be shy.

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          7 days ago

          Claudia de la Cruz, I have never been shy about saying that.

          So let me dive into this. You literally said

          you should factor that into your evaluation of which candidates are actually electable

          and then proceeded to vote for an unelectable candidate?

          Do…do you…I mean is this really just all going right over your head?

          Are you really just that unaware?

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              No idea what you’re talking about. Sounds like nonsense from an unserious person.

              Here’s a fact.

              In 2024 the 3rd party candidate with the most votes (not Claudia de la Cruz, lol) only got half of a single percent of the total votes cast. Proving that a 3rd party candidate for president stands absolutely zero chance of winning. Which makes sense since no 3rd party has any presence in our political sphere whatsoever, including zero members in Congress.

              So you appear to be some dumbass telling people to consider the electability of their candidates while shitting on your own vote with Claudia de la Cruz, an unelectable loser.

              Good job, champ. You’re a real icon of critical thought.