• Tinidril@midwest.social
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    5 months ago

    the soviets had no equivalent

    Soviet reeducation camps and the million plus people that died in them disagree.

    I think both capitalist and communist propaganda is full of shit, but damn.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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      5 months ago

      Are you referring to the soviet prisons in general as “re-education camps?” An enormous number of prison deaths occured during World War II, when famine was widespread due to the Nazis storming Ukraine, the USSR’s breadbasket. On the whole, soviet prisons and the justice system itself were more progressive than their peers, Mary Stevenson Callcott documented it quite well in Russian Justice.

      The soviet union, despite having a progressive legal system, was in a state of constant turmoil caused by pressures both external and internal. They couldn’t simply delete all previously existing ruling-class people and ideology, class struggle continues under socialism. Further, pressure from the imperialist west, invasion both in threat and in action, and intentional sabateurs meant that the prisons certainly weren’t empty. The soviet union never had a single year of normal, stable growth, free from intense opposition on the outside and counter-revolutionary forces on the inside.

      I’ll state it again, as I said in my other comment: the red scare existed because porkie was terrified of a system that stood to steal from under their feet the very foundation they set up for their total reign.

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      5 months ago

      I encourage you to learn more about the topic, we’re all taught to hate communism and be doomers, by our families, schools, media and so on, but when you look at the facts communism is better for the vast majority of people, those who do all the work but receive less compensation for it. The surplus of our work is stolen by those who own stuff.

      • Tinidril@midwest.social
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        5 months ago

        You presume too much about my background. You are also missing the fact that every attempt at communism has somehow also resulted in a small group of elites stealing the surplus labor.

        • BurgerPunk [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          5 months ago

          every attempt at communism has somehow also resulted in a small group of elites stealing the surplus labor.

          That is completely false. You have no clue what you are talking about. If you want to talk about something, try educating yourself first

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            5 months ago

            I did educate myself, and in so doing I learned that false statements with absolute terms are easily disproven. I noticed a distinct lack of disproof in your reply. All heat, no light.

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              4 months ago

              You made a claim, backed by nothing, and now you want evidence against it?

              Evidenceless claims can be dismissed evidenceless.

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                  4 months ago

                  It’s not an adhominem also you can’t prove a negative the burden of proof is on you. You’re doing a Russell’s teapot. You have made a statement that is false with no evidence to back up your claim.

                  • Tinidril@midwest.social
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                    4 months ago

                    You can’t prove a negative, but they are easy to disprove if they are false. My assertion is logically negative, even if I didn’t phrase it that way. One positive counter example would prove it false. Got one? The evidence of my claim is that no counter examples exist. How do I cite the lack of something?

                    And yeah, it was a textbook ad hominem.