You misunderstand. We either win everything or nothing. If we win, nothing they did with the laws will be permanent because there will not be this set of laws anyways. I abjectly refuse to participate if we do not redo the entire system.
They’re not saying “I don’t care because nothing matters”. They’re saying “I don’t care because everything they do will be meaningless when we get them the fuck out of there”.
Right, and what I’m saying is that is the mentality the power structure is trying to make us all feel.
You vote every time, you show up every time. I’m not saying vote for anyone specifically, but don’t give up your power. It is not meaningless to fight these fuckers, and just waiting it out is the only guaranteed way they will win.
IF WE GET OFF THE COUCH AND MURDER THE FASCISTS AND FIX EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IT WOULD ALSO RENDER ALL THEIR FUCKERY WITH THE LAWS NULL AND VOID.
I AM NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE DO NOTHING. I AM SAYING THAT THEIR ACTIONS AND FLAILING ARE NOT IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ALL DIE FROM CLIMATE COLLAPSE IN 30-40 YEARS WITH THEM IN POWER OR WE FIX THIS SHIT AND ONLY PROBABLY DIE HORRIBLY FROM CLIMATE COLLAPSE IN 100-200 YEARS.
I AM FIGHTING FOR THE REDUCTION IN OUR CHANCES OF DEATH.
From an outside perspective its pretty clear that there is no coming back for the US without a violent intervention.
With how fucked up your electoral college is, there is now option for a third party to slowly grow in support like its possible in most democracies. That means your only options are both far right corporate puppets that have no real interest in fixing the underlying problems of the country, which in turn radicalises even more people.
Sure the Democrats are oders of magnitude better than the current nutjobs, but they historically did only the bare minimum to be seen as “the good guys” and “progressive”. Anywhere else in the world they would still be right wing conservatives. Looking at how Mamdani policies get criticized by members of his own party should be all the proof you need.
Pretty much the only way out of this downward circle would be for 100 Million Americans to simultaneously decide to vote for the same 3rd party.
This is how they win, you are doing precisely what they want.
You misunderstand. We either win everything or nothing. If we win, nothing they did with the laws will be permanent because there will not be this set of laws anyways. I abjectly refuse to participate if we do not redo the entire system.
Again, that’s what they hope for. You aren’t being noble, you are just noping out when it gets hard.
It’s more important than ever now, no matter what, make everything they try to do difficult.
They’re not saying “I don’t care because nothing matters”. They’re saying “I don’t care because everything they do will be meaningless when we get them the fuck out of there”.
Right, and what I’m saying is that is the mentality the power structure is trying to make us all feel.
You vote every time, you show up every time. I’m not saying vote for anyone specifically, but don’t give up your power. It is not meaningless to fight these fuckers, and just waiting it out is the only guaranteed way they will win.
No no you got it backwards. What THEY do is meaningless because we we will make it meaningless by doing exactly what you’re saying.
“make everything they do difficult”
I am …?
If we defeat them and do nothing about the system that did this, I am fucking off forever.
Oh, agreed. But that means we have to fight harder when the system is working against us. To defeat them, we have to keep playing the game.
The first is impossible without committing atrocities, and the second is a worst case.
Abject indeed. You’ve bought the “stay home and do nothing” propaganda, which is just what they want you do do.
What the fuck are you talking about?
IF WE GET OFF THE COUCH AND MURDER THE FASCISTS AND FIX EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IT WOULD ALSO RENDER ALL THEIR FUCKERY WITH THE LAWS NULL AND VOID.
I AM NOT ADVOCATING THAT WE DO NOTHING. I AM SAYING THAT THEIR ACTIONS AND FLAILING ARE NOT IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE ALL DIE FROM CLIMATE COLLAPSE IN 30-40 YEARS WITH THEM IN POWER OR WE FIX THIS SHIT AND ONLY PROBABLY DIE HORRIBLY FROM CLIMATE COLLAPSE IN 100-200 YEARS.
I AM FIGHTING FOR THE REDUCTION IN OUR CHANCES OF DEATH.
did you hear me that time…?
From an outside perspective its pretty clear that there is no coming back for the US without a violent intervention.
With how fucked up your electoral college is, there is now option for a third party to slowly grow in support like its possible in most democracies. That means your only options are both far right corporate puppets that have no real interest in fixing the underlying problems of the country, which in turn radicalises even more people.
Sure the Democrats are oders of magnitude better than the current nutjobs, but they historically did only the bare minimum to be seen as “the good guys” and “progressive”. Anywhere else in the world they would still be right wing conservatives. Looking at how Mamdani policies get criticized by members of his own party should be all the proof you need.
Pretty much the only way out of this downward circle would be for 100 Million Americans to simultaneously decide to vote for the same 3rd party.
That would be the ideal solution, yes.