Mormon leaders, military veterans and elected officials reacted with anger to a new Department of Defense policy that does not consider The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to be a Christian religion as part of a wider effort to cut down the U.S. military’s list of recognized faiths.
“The Pentagon’s decision to list The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints apart from other Christian faiths is wrong and needs to be corrected,” Republican Rep. Mike Kennedy, of heavily Mormon Utah, wrote on X on Sunday.
When you accept that others rights can be taken away, you must also accept that your own rights can be taken away.
If you accept that groups can be excluded from society, you must also accept that your group may one day be excluded.
If you accept that might makes right, you must accept that one mightier than yourself will one day come along.
If you live by the sword, you will likely die by the sword.
Idk how many times this has to happen throughout history before people act learn from it.
Not just that, their society is fiercely hierarchical, so by its very nature there is already always someone directly above them, and this particular movement has already shown that they don’t see them as equals.
In the wise words of Jello Biafra:
In the real Fourth Reich you’ll be the first to go
How it is with these guys. Its just a matter of time before they get around to screwing you.
Of course, the Kluxer bastard wants “true Christians” and not “pretenders”, and I bet he is also doing this to send a message. Only a matter of time he also gets started on non-Christian religions in the US military, including Wiccan.
LDS is Christian the way a pineapple is an apple. Petey can go fuck himself though.
One just has golden plates and the other doesn’t. Pretty much the same thing.
It really isn’t. The amount of control they exercise over their congregants and money they require to stay in good standing is astronomical compared to lost other christian denominations. Their propaganda, investment and political arms make them the biggest existential threat to North American democracy and culture as a centralized religious organization.
Not to mention the basis of the faith is that Jesus came to America and your skin color determines if your ancestors were sinners. That’s cuckoo bananas even by christian standards.
The amount of control they exercise over their congregants and money they require to stay in good standing is astronomical compared to lost other christian denominations.
Wait til you hear about how greedy the Catholic Church was before & during the Reformation. New denomination, same religion. This is just how faiths inevitably evolve.
Also Mormonism—though I hate using this aphorism because it’s not even true—is as American as apple pie, there’s really no threat to be spoken of here in the usual sense of the word. It’s existed for more or less 200 years now, subsisting along with every other facet of its surrounding culture. Mormonism is American society, it wouldn’t have become so widespread without it.
This could impact a lot of Trump votes if not corrected too. I don’t think even he’s so dumb to alienate such a large voter base.
I wish! I feel like they’ll vote Republican until one of their “prophets” tells them heavenly father told them otherwise.
Lol mormons aren’t christian tho. They believe in like Jesus 2.0. So mormonism should be filed under the sequel Christianity 2.0
Ex-mormon here.
Technically Mormons can be considered Christian simply because they worship Jesus Christ.
But back in reality, they’re a cult. Go check out the Mormon Stories podcast and on youtube. No affiliation, I just have a lot of respect for John Dehlin.
So mormonism should be filed under the sequel Christianity 2.0
lul
Ok but if jesus flew over the seas to another place and got an extra story how much extra fanfic before its essentially a new guy. Imo once you add chapters you’ve invented Jesus 2.0
I mean you’re not wrong. Just playing devil’s advocate since I spent 30+ years in it as a faithful member.
I do not miss it one bit.
Christianity 2.0
Isn’t it Islam?
Idk I think Islam sees Jesus as like Moses II? There’s a bit of retconning there.
I’d love if there was some type of religious git hub that tracked religions like they were code bases being patched by religious figureheads and noting what code was emphasized on each branch.
If I recall correctly, they think he was wise, and that he brought a message from God that superceded the old rules, but that he wasn’t the son of God or a part of some divine Trinity.
They then believe that Mohammed was likewise a messenger who brought a new set of rules that obsoleted the ones Jesus brought.So if I recall correctly, Judaism is to Christianity as Christianity is to Islam. It’s just disagreement over which PR to accept.
“Just” seems a weak word to use for the scope of the conflict, but I think that’s the heart of it.
I live by the location that Mormons believe Jesus will be when he returns. They built a church with a steeple that looks like a massive space ship on that location.
But also fuck Pete Hegseth. They have a right to their beliefs as long as it’s not harming anyone else.
If it’s the one I’m thinking of, that particular building is owned by the Community of Christ (formerly the “RLDS” church) which split from the “official” Mormon organization shortly after Smith was killed. It’s a wild design. I remember learning about it as a kid and being told that it was a “perversion” or whatever.
Either way, it’s all culty bullshit.
Yes! That’s the one! My bf lives by that one and I live by the other monument they built. This one is right in downtown Independence MO, which is also a very low-income area with a lot of homeless people. It’s jarring to see that sticking up amongst it all.
For those of you who don’t know, there are a lot of Mormons in the KC area because some of them believe the Garden of Eden is a short drive north of KC and that Jesus will return to Independence, MO.
I see more Mormon churches in the KC metro than any other religion, although, I don’t know any practicing Mormons myself.
although, I don’t know any practicing Mormons myself.
They tend to be a bit quieter about their religion when not in a predominantly Mormon area like Utah.
That’s what is kinda weird to me. Kansas City has a surprisingly high population of them here. That’s why it’s weird that I don’t know any. From where I sit right this very second I can see a Community of Christ church. And, their headquarters is here.
Interesting. Hilariously, the CoC (heh, cock) is much closer to the original Mormon church in terms of practices than the far larger mainstream sect.
What does it mean when a religion is officially recognised by the military? Do they get extra time for prayers or something?
It’s actually primarily for counseling and emotional care purposes, lifestyle accommodations, as well as planning for the worst in the event that someone is killed in action.
If you get shot and die, they need to be able to know how to treat your body after death.
They really just want to stop service members from putting “Jedi Knight” on their dog tag under the religion section. Not joking lol
As a deployment manager that made dog tags for a few years, we didn’t care. Jedi, Pastafarian, Dudist, whatever. You are doing your country a service that most people can’t really comprehend. I’ll put whatever you want in that section as long as the other stuff that actually matters is correct.
Literally everyone but the youngest of children can comprehend it. War and service is about as old and traditional to humanity as you can fucking get.
Not a soul on this planet has grown up not being taught endlessly about war and duty. Even if it’s sanitized out the fucking ass. The majority have also been directly effected by it one way or another. Loss of life, mental well being, home, food, or even mass displacement. For themselves or their loved ones.
Short of bread and beer you don’t get fucking anything more ubiquitous than military service to the human experience.
Its a fucking insult to even consider someone out side of the youngest children might not be able to comprehend how far reaching and devastating. Military service can be.
If you think the average person can understand what it is like to give up ultimate control of your life in 6-year chunks, I have some bad news for you.
People in the military are bound by law to do whatever is necessary for the mission regardless of the cost to them. For over 20 years, I lived moment to moment assuming that with no notice, I could be sent to the other side of the globe without my immediate family. During my time in, I was deployed to a remote country, in a war zone, with no notice, while my wife dealt with the consequences. During that time, I had very limited contact with my spouse, and what time I did have was regularly interrupted with literal attacks that could have killed me.
Beyond my experience there, my spouse had to deal with the fact that I would occasionally just leave in the middle of a call, because rocket attack.
So, pardon me if I am skeptical of your claim that most people can understand that I now drive past litter on the side of the road cautiously because it might be a bomb. And that is just the start of the weird differences I have experienced transitioning from military life into being a civilian.
I’m honestly more surprised that JWs and Christian Scientists are listed under “Christian” than that Mormons aren’t. All of those are considered cults, rather than legitimate denominations, by mainstream Christianity (Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant).
I mean they are all cults, just ones society finds acceptable for some reason.
Wasn’t it the Mormons whose founder got some glasses from an angel, which allowed him to read the bible? Well, that is what I call a fairytale.
If I recall the original definition of the modern cult vs religion division is just what ever the British crown recognized as legitimate. Lol
They’re not Christian, lol. Too funny.
I mean they literally aren’t, it’s like saying Muslims are Christian because they view Jesus as a prophet along with Muhammed.
They made up their own fan fiction for Christianity. Someone needs to let them know their fanfic isn’t canon.
isn’t each abrahamic religion just a sequel to the previous one that’s been written by new authors?
Like I can accept that the bible is kind of a mess due to it being written so long ago that historical record of the whole thing is fractured, but generally, it’s accepted that a figure named Jesus probably did exist, even if he wasn’t really the son of God. Through all the translations and lost languages and lost history, mainline Christianity has a pretty good excuse that even if the stories aren’t actually true, they’re rooted in social folktales that were generally accepted as true in early Christian theology, in a time period that was much much much much more superstitious than the modern era.
Whereas, come the fuck on, Jesus visiting America is made up whole cloth in a semi-modern era by a guy who should have known the fuck better. That’s not a social folktale, that’s just one single motherfucker making shit up on his own and calling it good.
lol, I see. you’re willing to entertain the whole zombie jesus story but the book of mormon is ridiculous and impossible.
honestly who even cares? I’m sure this will get corrected by hegseth because the lds have been loyal and obedient to trump and the republicans in power are only pretending to be christians.
Did you know that Mormons are actually preferentially given security clearances, since the United States Constitution is one of the foundational documents of their faith? Do you realize how many people with positions near nuclear sites, NSA datacenters, and CIA operations these bumblefucks are aggravating?
This is because most Mormons go on missions to other countries and know a second language from doing so. Its an asset to the government to have traveled people who speak multiple languages after all especially those from a religious background who fall in line easily and are usually conservative.
Yep, and they don’t tend to be addicted to any substances or gambling. There are many reasons. The point being that, for one reason or another, many of the intelligence services and highest-clearance positions are filled with Mormons, and the government just told them that they aren’t part of the club anymore.
Did you know that Mormons are actually preferentially given security clearances, since the United States Constitution is one of the foundational documents of their faith?
I didn’t know that about LDS folks. Being a founding document of their faith, they must really be in support of the Constitution and would oppose all who would desecrate the document and its principles of law and liberty.
“According to Fox News’ 2024 election exit poll, among the Latter-day Saints surveyed 64% supported Trump and 32% supported Vice President Kamala Harris.” source
…oh, nevermind.
Religious zealots are not exactly known for their reading comprehension when it comes to their holy texts.
The in-group just got a little bit smaller
