• andresil@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Hartle has a very simple way of viewing this, see photo from his textbook “Introduction to General Relativity” photo

      One thing to remember is that GR is still just a theory with a substantial lack of experimental proof, but the maths does work out quite well with it.

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        Through mass/energy equivalence, E=mc2. Energy distorts spacetime the same as its equivalent rest mass.

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          To clarify, energy isn’t a “thing” that exists. It’s a property of matter, and so is mass.

          So spacetime are only related in that matter exists in spacetime, and can influence it in ways we don’t (or at least I don’t,) really understand.

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            Anything that occupies space and has weight is matter. And yes, every matter exists in time.

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          What I never understood is why the electric field doesn’t distort spacetime more than gravity. The force between 2 electrons is like 4*10^42 times stronger than gravity. So a tiny electric field should cause the same spacetime bending as a massive object.

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            It does. The energy density of the em field will contribute to the stress-energy tensor that changes the metric of spacetime.

            Though the force itself is irrelevant

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              Though the force itself is irrelevant

              But force is a measure of the rate at which energy is transferred over a distance.

              So if one force is greater than another and the distance is the same, then the energy is greater in the case of the greater force.

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                True. The em field is significantly more energetic, meaning that it contributes more to the stress energy tensor than the force of gravity

                But recall that the force of gravity is the momentum change “due to” the curvature of spacetime. The fact that the force of gravity can bend spacetime at all is a really weird second-order perturbative effect.

                These perturbative effects are typically described with a quantum field theory, but gravity has been thus far notably difficult to quantize.

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                  But recall that the force of gravity is the momentum change “due to” the curvature of spacetime

                  But didn’t you just say that the electric field curves it too?

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            the simple forms of conservation you probably learned in school are not entirely accurate. you probably learned that neither energy not matter can be created or destroyed; whatever you do, the mass you begin with will be the same as the mass you end with, and the same is true, separately, for energy. that’s not actually true; mass can be converted into energy, and vice versa. the correct form of conservation is that the combined mass-energy is constant. mass can be destroyed, but only if a proportional amount of energy is created. the coefficient of that proportionality is the square of the speed of light. that’s what E=mc² means. that’s how nuclear weapons work, and why they’re so powerful. c² is obviously a pretty big value, so when a small amount of matter is destroyed, it creates a large amount of energy

            similarly, energy can be converted into mass, but doing so makes it much “smaller.” c² units of energy will become 1 unit of mass. and mass, of course, interacts with space-time

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              You explain beautifully the reason why Shakti (energy) is the Divine Consort of Shiva (the overseer of destruction) according to Vedic philosophy.