Voting for a third party is only valid if a movement, a real one, forms around it. It will never work if it only siphons votes out of the dem bucket and lets republicans to kind of win by default. It has to have real momentum, real commitments, have visibility and voice across the states, so everyone will know they will not be just giving the republicans the win, rather, committing together as a big one, to something better. Even better if the various ideologically motivated but distinct camps within republicans would join the effort. Libertarians are the classic example, but I bet if things get momentum and it looks like the two parties are simply getting fractured either way, a lot of people will jump on the chance to get actual real representation and voice, not just a small camp within a big ambiguous mess the two parties kind of force.
So instead of just voting for a third option and wasting your vote in the current system, organizing would be the real answer, the prerequisite for the third options to be valid. And it’s not that complicated, just needs to get viral and real commitments
Republicans don’t blame libertarians. they know that the people who want to vote for libertarians aren’t Republicans. the same can’t be said for Democrats. they believe they are owed every vote people choose to give to greens. it’s entitled.
And if you don’t vote for them or at all your voice doesn’t matter. I “love” that argument of institutional marginalization. It’s the same kind of thinking and justification they used for oppressing black voters for over a century.
You are the one who “doesnt matter” here because you cant win an election without progressives but you centrists refuse to engage with the voters and their issues. Why wont you lot ever talk about stopping the war criminality? Why is that off the table? Why Didnt Biden or Haris support single payer? Why not address issues of affordability and social injustice? Why was Bidens response to Defund & reallocate to increase police funding?
Thats some bullshit and it will be a cold day in hell before I help elect another aipac-centrist. The cold hard fact is that you centrists arent in the center, you lean far right and you dont care about the voters actual issues. You are owed nothing and I see Dem party identification as a negative now when I vote, after a lifetime of being a straight ticket voter. The DNC did that, and now they can live with it. Go have tea with Schumer if you dont like it, because your voice doesnt matter to me.
I didn’t come across clear. I’m opposed to what is being termed as Blue MAGA who say those who don’t vote don’t matter. They matter a whole hell of a lot because they may more to say than the sycophants who always vote party lines. It’s a method to marginalize people who already are that.
Yes, I am. A person who chooses not to vote still has something to say and not voting means they feel marginalized by the system that it’s useless. They deserve as much time at the table as anyone else and the “always blue no matter who” types continually try to marginalize them.
got it, my mistake, sorry. We do agree. I suppose I am a little overly trigger happy with all the posts telling me I dont have a say at all if I didnt vote team blue or red.
I think we just need to put up everyday, regular workers who refuse PAC money and operate ethically, as well as presenting a socialist platform. That would overcome a lot of disillusionment with left voters and even poor MAGA, who were betrayed by the neoliberal establishment; who thought Trump would bring socialist elements and advocate for them. I think this would build enough broad support to win.
People are broadly tired of political corruption and capitalist exploitation; they’ve just been brainwashed by the Epstein class to blame socialism.
Also, we need to arm up for the plan B. The SRA is one organizational resource.
And practice with your weapons. Fancy guns will not make you better unless you’re already decent to begin with. I recommend CZ, good guns, not too expensive.
Waiting for a third party person to get support before you support them kills any chance of a movement right away. Until then, you just get the center-right using the far-right boogeyman.
We have a viable third party here in Canada but people’s main excuse “they’ll never win”. Like, no shit, you keep saying you like their platform so fucking DO something about it!
The dumbest thing for the US specifically is that there IS a movement forming. Progressives are winning primaries, Mamdani is fixing NYC in record time and pulling no punches, and people are getting excited about it even in other countries. It’s all there, and if you vote against that what the fuck do you think is going to happen? If you aren’t part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
Literally jusy start with the first sentence, dude. It’s ok, take your time, but maybe next time don’t come at me with your raging first grade reading level(is it even that? Their comment was pretty clear).
Voting for a third party is only valid if a movement, a real one, forms around it.
This? You seem to be using voting and support interchangeably? There is a heck of a lot more you can do to support a movement than waiting around until voting day.
I am, because that is how it works. I’m from Canada, one party is progressive, then we have two other parties which amount to northern copies of the DNC and GOP. We have other small ones. People’s main excuse for not voting for the progressive party is “they can’t win” and we refer to their seats in parliament to show that because we’re largely cowards.
People have a hard time seeing what “support” is, but everyone can see the spread of MPs(member of congress, essentially) and they make choices based on that. People will look me in my real face and say “I wanted to vote NDP but I neeeeeeded to vote against the Conservatives” and now our forests are on fire and our Prime Minister is sucking Trump’s dick, fighting our unions, and handing over taxpayer money to oil and gas companies or real-estate developers(don’t worry, they’re not doing anything to ease the cost of living).
If you do not vote for something then you are voting against it. Maybe you’re ok with that, maybe you deem it worth it, but you need to accept that reality and what it shows everyone else.
Ah, operating how you wish the system works (and how it could work with modest reform) instead of how it actually works. Skipping steps always turns out great!
Voting for a third party is only valid if a movement, a real one, forms around it. It will never work if it only siphons votes out of the dem bucket and lets republicans to kind of win by default. It has to have real momentum, real commitments, have visibility and voice across the states, so everyone will know they will not be just giving the republicans the win, rather, committing together as a big one, to something better. Even better if the various ideologically motivated but distinct camps within republicans would join the effort. Libertarians are the classic example, but I bet if things get momentum and it looks like the two parties are simply getting fractured either way, a lot of people will jump on the chance to get actual real representation and voice, not just a small camp within a big ambiguous mess the two parties kind of force.
So instead of just voting for a third option and wasting your vote in the current system, organizing would be the real answer, the prerequisite for the third options to be valid. And it’s not that complicated, just needs to get viral and real commitments
Republicans don’t blame libertarians. they know that the people who want to vote for libertarians aren’t Republicans. the same can’t be said for Democrats. they believe they are owed every vote people choose to give to greens. it’s entitled.
And if you don’t vote for them or at all your voice doesn’t matter. I “love” that argument of institutional marginalization. It’s the same kind of thinking and justification they used for oppressing black voters for over a century.
You are the one who “doesnt matter” here because you cant win an election without progressives but you centrists refuse to engage with the voters and their issues. Why wont you lot ever talk about stopping the war criminality? Why is that off the table? Why Didnt Biden or Haris support single payer? Why not address issues of affordability and social injustice? Why was Bidens response to Defund & reallocate to increase police funding?
Thats some bullshit and it will be a cold day in hell before I help elect another aipac-centrist. The cold hard fact is that you centrists arent in the center, you lean far right and you dont care about the voters actual issues. You are owed nothing and I see Dem party identification as a negative now when I vote, after a lifetime of being a straight ticket voter. The DNC did that, and now they can live with it. Go have tea with Schumer if you dont like it, because your voice doesnt matter to me.
I’m with you, never holding my nose to vote again. They can either adapt or lose without us.
I didn’t come across clear. I’m opposed to what is being termed as Blue MAGA who say those who don’t vote don’t matter. They matter a whole hell of a lot because they may more to say than the sycophants who always vote party lines. It’s a method to marginalize people who already are that.
I think they’re in agreement here.
Yes, I am. A person who chooses not to vote still has something to say and not voting means they feel marginalized by the system that it’s useless. They deserve as much time at the table as anyone else and the “always blue no matter who” types continually try to marginalize them.
got it, my mistake, sorry. We do agree. I suppose I am a little overly trigger happy with all the posts telling me I dont have a say at all if I didnt vote team blue or red.
Thank you. I can understand being trigger happy, I’m a very frustrated person tired of all the tip toeing.
I think we just need to put up everyday, regular workers who refuse PAC money and operate ethically, as well as presenting a socialist platform. That would overcome a lot of disillusionment with left voters and even poor MAGA, who were betrayed by the neoliberal establishment; who thought Trump would bring socialist elements and advocate for them. I think this would build enough broad support to win.
People are broadly tired of political corruption and capitalist exploitation; they’ve just been brainwashed by the Epstein class to blame socialism.
Also, we need to arm up for the plan B. The SRA is one organizational resource.
And practice with your weapons. Fancy guns will not make you better unless you’re already decent to begin with. I recommend CZ, good guns, not too expensive.
Waiting for a third party person to get support before you support them kills any chance of a movement right away. Until then, you just get the center-right using the far-right boogeyman.
We have a viable third party here in Canada but people’s main excuse “they’ll never win”. Like, no shit, you keep saying you like their platform so fucking DO something about it!
The dumbest thing for the US specifically is that there IS a movement forming. Progressives are winning primaries, Mamdani is fixing NYC in record time and pulling no punches, and people are getting excited about it even in other countries. It’s all there, and if you vote against that what the fuck do you think is going to happen? If you aren’t part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.
Tell us you didn’t read what you’re replying to without telling us.
Literally jusy start with the first sentence, dude. It’s ok, take your time, but maybe next time don’t come at me with your raging first grade reading level(is it even that? Their comment was pretty clear).
This? You seem to be using voting and support interchangeably? There is a heck of a lot more you can do to support a movement than waiting around until voting day.
I am, because that is how it works. I’m from Canada, one party is progressive, then we have two other parties which amount to northern copies of the DNC and GOP. We have other small ones. People’s main excuse for not voting for the progressive party is “they can’t win” and we refer to their seats in parliament to show that because we’re largely cowards.
People have a hard time seeing what “support” is, but everyone can see the spread of MPs(member of congress, essentially) and they make choices based on that. People will look me in my real face and say “I wanted to vote NDP but I neeeeeeded to vote against the Conservatives” and now our forests are on fire and our Prime Minister is sucking Trump’s dick, fighting our unions, and handing over taxpayer money to oil and gas companies or real-estate developers(don’t worry, they’re not doing anything to ease the cost of living).
If you do not vote for something then you are voting against it. Maybe you’re ok with that, maybe you deem it worth it, but you need to accept that reality and what it shows everyone else.
Ah, operating how you wish the system works (and how it could work with modest reform) instead of how it actually works. Skipping steps always turns out great!
Nothing wrong with voting third party. If you want votes then court the non-voters.