“Young people increasingly don’t appear to be incredibly dumb, survey finds.”
billionaires tell people to love the thing they are trying to get them hooked on so that they can run a rampant monopoly and make some more billions.
If you remove yourself from the equation maybe there is some chance. So if you really love AI, perhaps fuck off.
my experience, that all my collegues who are aroubd 28-35, use a shitload of ai. younger generation is now using it instead of google search.
That’s because they fucked the google search so that ai is the only thing that gives you what you’re looking for. Eventually. After you’ve argued with it.
At least google’s ai will list the sources it’s allegedly drawing from so you can verify it’s hallucinations live.
Do you think they trust it?
You should ask and report back.
Good. Young people are hip to what’s going on and that is uplifting.
I’ve been in IT since 2007 I’ve been with computers since 1994 with a second hand MS DOS.
AI is 100 very good for scientists and people in the medical industry (I don’t know why, but I know they’ve all told me it’s good for them). Outside of the above… Everything else about AI is pointless… It’s just googling things slightly faster than I can google things.
Interestingly, in the medical field, I have seen a few headlines, but, I was talking to a guy who works for Mayo Clinic. His job is literally trying to quantify the effects AI is having with the doctors, and talking with him I said the same thing “at least it’s good for the medical field” and he replied with “who told you that? I would actually love to speak with them.” So, I’m not sure how effective it is in the medical field either.
Very interesting, I work in IT and talked about how useless AI is and I got told off by multiple “scientists” because AI was revolutionising the way they did their research.
Granted this was on Reddit so maybe just people wanting to argue.
Googling things a bit faster, but now all the sites it is searching are AI generated.
Scientists that use AI aren’t likely to remain good scientists for long.
I mainly use it for comparing products, and finding tools/products that fit my needs (sustainability/longevity/value/complexity/learning curve/beginner friendliness). I find it to be really time saving for this particulqr purpose. Customer service agents should be forgotten by history ASAP. EDIT: customer service AI agents, is what I meant
So your use case for LLMs is the first aspect of them that will be enshittified.
LLMs advocating for products that pay them is step 1 of incoming enshittification.
Also, anyone that has ever talked to customer service of any kind knows that the “automated” stuff is the absolute worst and you want a human most of the time.
Prepare to get downvoted and get critical comments. People really hate llms here. It’s just as annoying as the people on the flipside.
While I understand the hate and also somewhat agree with it, there is no denying that it can be useful for some things. If those moments of usefulness are worth the damage to society and environment? Absolutely not. I am however guilty of using it anyway to cut research time ten or twenty times for a few particular use cases.
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Trust the parasite class! I mean, what could possibly go wrong, right…?
With ai hallucinations…Ai fakery and the topmost reason being layoffs being attributed increasingly to AI…I don’t think so there’s anything much to love about AIs. When billionaires tell the society to love something… it’s because there’s 10000% profit for them in that and almost none for us masses.
AI is not making my life easier. My gas is not cheaper. Food is still the 2nd highest spend behind housing. Its just not a thing that people with grass to mow need beyond maybe a better search engine.
Fork found in kitchen
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They’re already dumber than the older generations, but hey, we can make the problem even worse. Why not.
I’m gonna have to work until I’m 110 years old probably just to keep the following generations fed and clothed… and I bet at least one of you morons will think “it’s the billionaires’ fault”. Try to actually read a real book.
and I bet at least one of you morons will think “it’s the billionaires’ fault”.
Well, yeah, you’re kinda right. It’s the system that creates these billionaires fault. One of the reasons I dislike all the guillotine memery a bit (although I find it pretty funny) is because just unaliving Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk won’t help in the long run. The system is gonna continue to produce these kind of psychopaths.
Do you get paid by billionaires to simp for them or are you just doing it for free?
Maybe the kids are gonna be alright, after all.
AI is just one of several serious existential threats the kids will have to deal with. They’re far from alright.
“The kids are alright” does not mean that the world where the kids live is alright, it means that the kids are alright. 😅
We got THIS close to being done with nicotine and bullshit in the air in daily life, and then the kids discovered vaping.
At best, the kids are in the aggregate no better or worse than the generations before them. No generation is going to save us from stupid when stupid is part of our species’ DNA.
Bro. The kids are alright. Not pristine perfect beings who will being about a new era of prosperity.
Besides, why you putting it on “the kids discovered vaping”? That sounds like something a billionaire would say to deflect from the huge lobbying campaign they made to distinguish vapes from cigarettes.
Not sure the kids “discovered” vaping, more like the industry did some targeted marketing on them.
To me it means: the kids are healthy and secure, and coping with the world with a reasonable prospect of a good future. But I agree that it’s a good thing that they aren’t entirely duped by the abusers of AI, if that’s what you mean.
The Epstein class is their biggest threat by far. AI and what they do on private islands are just two of many reasons to get rid of billionaires.
I agree. I really don’t understand why society tolerates, let alone promotes and idolizes, billionaires, while median net worth remains below $200,000, and probably much lower in most of the rest of the world. I don’t think everyone should be forced to be exactly equal but the current disparity between median and Elon is more than 6 orders of magnitude, depending on the day of the week, and even to your average barely a billionaire it is more than 3 orders of magnitude. It’s excessive, and looking at how society is going, fairly clearly unhealthy for everyone involved.
Children of the near future will have more in common with the generation before and directly participating in a World War then they do with the generation after a World War.
Anecdotally, all our young family members don’t trust A.I. at all.
Once, I asked it a question as a joke, (I think it was about "Labubu"s or something I’m out of touch about); they told me it sounds like fake news 😂. I asked the tool if we could trust it, and it said something like “no, don’t trust me”, which was hilarious.
I think kids these days have a good bullshit detector, by necessity.
Yesterday I heard an 11yr old - who I’ve witnessed watching AI brain rot content recently - decry that some channel he was shown was “AI slop”, and was incredulous about being shown it. Now I know kids can change their mind very quickly and will just parrot what they hear and think is cool, but it felt good to hear a young kid say this to another, and essentially be mad about it.
If that is true then it only just developed in the last 2 years. There was a huge shift to the right in youth voters, largely because TikTok promoted Trump.
Yeah I’m very skeptical of that comment. Most people have zero critical thinking skills and the youngest generation are the worst of them all so far.
But older people still trust surveys. So no, we’re doomed.
true but kids should also trust AI to be AI
then it becomes a useful tool
never useful, always negative value
I’m so blackpilled on the average person. These stats mean nothing because the average person not trusting a tech company does absolutely nothing to push them away from it. 80% distrust AI but 50% use it and the stat is growing.
Indeed. The average person seems to need instagram, whatsapp and xitter to fill their meaningless little isolated lives with distractions to feel… something. However on a more positive note, once people get suspicious about AI slop they tend to notice the slop patterns more easily, which is a good development. It’s something that can’t be unseen.
Counterpoint: once they notice some patterns it makes the more gullible for the ones they don’t notice, because “now they can detect AI”.
Possible, but they would more likely see more false positives depending on how suspicious they are… like when people suspected images to be photoshopped in the past.
I don’t just think AI should be regulated, I think everyone at the hyperscaler companies should be criminally indicted. Every employee at OpenAI and Anthropic working on AI development should be indicted on 8 million counts of child endangerment.
The relevant statute is California 273a.
It is a crime in the state of California to allow a child to be placed in a position where great harm could come to them. For example, people have been indicted under this statute because they had drugs in the same house as young children. Even if no children are actually hurt, simply putting them in a situation where harm is likely is the crime.
It would normally be quite difficult to prove that the actions of OpenAI and others are endangering children. But the very words of these companies would be the first exhibit of the prosecution. They’ve openly confessed to their crimes! These very same companies and their leaders have repeatedly said that they’re building machines that they themselves believe have a reasonable chance of destroying humanity. And the children of California are a subset of humanity.
Whether their claims are realistic or not, I cannot say. But I simply cannot believe that it is legal to build a machine that you yourself believe could destroy the world. We’re so glazed over by the novelty of AI that we forget to treat it like any other threat. In most places it is a crime to perform some action that you believe has a realistic chance of hurting people, even if you have no intention or desire to hurt people.
Well, according to OpenAI, the machines they are building represent a very real risk to the life and safety of every child in the State of California. I see no reason that they shouldn’t be charged with millions of counts of child endangerment. According to their own words, they are literally putting the lives of children at risk. That is a crime. That is not legal. And we should stop pretending it is.
I would love to see OpenAI employees get arrested and then watch all their precious assets get seized. Especially because most of them sound like greedy fucks. They supported Altman over the open source science people because Altman was the guy with money bags. We need to start punishing harmful selfish behavior instead of constantly rewarding it.
If this argument worked fossil fuel companies wouldn’t exist
There’s a big difference between, “I know my product will statistically increase the chance of early death across the population” and “I believe there is a very real chance my product will kill everyone.”
All sorts of things increase risk. But child endangerment and similar laws are meant for very immediate and direct threats. OpenAI is building machines that they themselves believe could kill everyone. I see that as very similar to the idea of having fentanyl in the same house as young children. The fentanyl isn’t a danger because it will increase the chance of the kids getting lung cancer in their sixties. The fentanyl is a danger because one dose of it could kill a kid instantly. The law addresses immediate threats, not statistical increases in mortality observable across the population.
What if companies lobbied and depositioned that oil consumption wasn’t bad, greenhouse gasses don’t matter, and that climate change wasn’t real? All while having evidence to the contrary.
Like, a company does a thing. Turns out it was a bad thing, but - as an industry - lied under oath and paid money to have it all swept under the rug.
That’s pretty damn bad.AI companies seem to be marketing their thing as a bad thing, idiots drink the coolaid and make it a bad thing.
I think we are early enough in the adoption cycle before it becomes incumbent.
Whereas oil adoption was a miracle liquid/gas that absolutely moved humanity forward at the expense of the planet.
AI replaces humanity at the expense of the planet.
If people didn’t consume oil, fossil fuel companies wouldn’t exist either.
anyone can inform the authorities, and should they continue to ignore then that is clear next goal of the campaign -> removal of corrupt officials that dont care about the law.
As an old person I can also say that old people don’t trust AI, or the leaders of those companies, or the current administration…
It’s almost like it doesn’t matter what plebs think and we’ve known this for a long time.
Old people were the biggest voter block FOR the current (US) administration. You might not like it, but “old people” certainly have some other opinions.
I’m not monolithic.
You started making claims about what “old people” like or do.
Sorry, I’ve only got this really broad brush. Actually it’s more like a firecracker in a paint tin.
Sure. All people have their own opinions. Grouping people by a specific trait doesn’t give you a monolith that shares the same opinions on everything. There are Blacks, Latinos, Gays, and Trans for Trump.
The comment was refuting the insinuation in the headline that only young people feel this way because older people are stupid and awful. Somehow while trying to appear to be welcoming and not discriminate against minorities, the internet has become full of ageist discrimination. Age is another trait people can’t control or change. Discriminating or mocking people based on that is as wrong as doing the same based on skin color or sexuality.
Older people aren’t stupid and awful, they are just generally more set in their ways, and factually ARE more vulnerable to misinformation and lies, which is why they’re the most vulnerable to scams.
The previous generation, at least in America, was far more repressed and had far less access to information than we do today, which results in more narrow-minded beliefs. Not all old people are like this, but the comment you’re talking about said “old people don’t trust ai” which is not true. Old people as a group do, this person as an individual in that group does not.
Old people as a group don’t exist. There is no monolith based on simple traits like age, or race, or gender. While more members of one specific group sharing any of these traits can be likely to trust or mistrust or agree with anything, boiling them down to a singular opinion or mental state is always wrong. It’s discriminatory.
You saying old people as a group do trust AI is as fucked up as saying that black people as a group do love watermelon.
All groupings are arbitrary, it just (sometimes) provides utility to group on some shared attributes. It would be more accurate to say boomers trust ai more, not because they’re necessarily stupider (though lead poisoning was extremely common through leaded gasoline), but being older does mean you had less access to multiculturalism, less inundation with scams and technology growing up, and more propaganda that is harder to find counterpoints to.
It’s fully accurate to say “older people generally are more close-minded and trust AI more” without that being an attack on any particular old person. That’s a reality old people and young people need to be aware of, whether it’s for an older person to reflect if that’s happening to them, or a younger person to help an older person with.
It’s fully accurate to say “older people generally are more close-minded and trust AI more” without that being an attack on any particular old person.
Depending on the area you live in and the the total range of the statistics it can be fully accurate to say that “black people generally love watermelon and fried chicken and are more likely to steal your bike” and for that to not be an attack on any individual person, but also fuck you. Get it? Just because statistics show a thing doesn’t mean you’re not being a piece of shit for using those statistics to denigrate a massive group of people.
Using statistics chosen because they do denigrate a group of people and then acting like it’s not your fault these are what the statistics show is pretty common from hater assholes towards any group.
It would be more accurate to say boomers trust ai more, not because they’re necessarily stupider (though lead poisoning was extremely common through leaded gasoline)
This one is fantastic, since several studies have come out showing that Gen Z is the first generation to be less cognitively capable than the one that came before it. They don’t even have leaded gasoline to point to as an excuse. Somehow I don’t think they’d be super happy to see the internet flooded with people assuming anyone in that age range is an idiot.
You have to live in reality idk what to say, if black people commit more crime in an area I want to have that information so I can figure out why so I can prevent it (outreach programs specifically targeted at black kids for instance), if you say it as a dogwhistle to other racists that’s a different story.
I think genZ is absolutely cooked for different reasons (AI, social media, tiktok, covid lockdowns during a critical part of development) and I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re also an at-risk group to scams.
If your goal is to dogwhisle or denigrate based on identity then yes that’s wrong, but old people are the majority of the voting block and they majority voted for Trump. Saying “old people are racist and closed-minded” is false. Saying “old people are NOT racist and closed-minded” is even more false.
All my members hate fucking AI and majority of them are over 60. Hell one had me take his payment because he flat out wasn’t going let a clanker take it. Dont trust the automated system rather talk to a human.
My dad died last fall and when I called the funeral home to arrange for his body to be picked up, their answering service was fucking AI. However angry you think that might make you feel, it’s worse than that.
That’s fucked up.
or the leaders of those companies
This is key. Zuc put tape over his laptop webcams, cause they know this invasion of privacy is endemic to everything nowadays.
No, that can’t be. The internet has told me that old people are stupid and love Trump and fascism and it’s totally acceptable to mock and hate people based on their age even though they have no control of their age.
The internet assures me it’s a bastion of welcoming care for all, so the hate against old people must be universally deserved. It’s not like the good people of the internet would just latch on to whatever trends they think will be supported and make them look like good people while allowing them to vomit hate at anyone they in their infinite wisdom determine to be bad people.
As an old person who knows a lot of old people and has to deal with a lot of other old people, you’re in a bubble. Nothing wrong with that, of course, and you may already be aware.
By and large, early gen X and older have a very difficult time discerning what materials are AI generated. Then when you get to a certain age range, maybe 70+, AI to much of that crowd is just another buzzword they know nothing about.
Now, in the pedantic sense of the word “increasingly”, if literally one more old person is against AI or doesn’t trust AI compared to last year, then that’s increasing. But on the whole, I’m not seeing it. In fact, as AI gets “better” and harder to detect, I’m finding that more people just go with it. You basically end up with camps of “the person who accuses everything of being AI”, “the person who has no clue what’s what and doesn’t care”, and “the person who can’t tell if something is AI regardless of how obvious it is”.
I’m a retired programmer and I always regretted not getting into AI (like, developing it rather than making use of it) because I think I could have made significant contributions. Now I’m glad I never did because I’ll never have to deal with the guilt of having made Terminator a reality.
I’ll just have to deal with Terminator is all. :(
Not even the good Terminator. The future is a robot skeleton humping a parking meter.
I don’t know man, I’m a fairly old person and I’m constantly surrounded by people who seem unable to think without it.
In reviewing your message, it seems like you’ve been faced with some difficulties because of AI. But as young people, I believe AI is the future of humans. We should develop and improve AI in various types of parts, even though the current result is not as good as we expected initially.
