• baines@lemmy.cafe
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      12 hours ago

      this is sane washing wealth inequality

      the reality is usually those original rich family members did some real heinous shit to get that wealth

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        6 hours ago

        this is sane washing wealth inequality

        it is not sane washing of anything. it is a description of things.

        stop, calm down, take a deep breath, and then answer the question:

        • is it true?
          not
        • “do you think this is how it should be?”

        because it seems you have trouble grasping that these two are completely different questions.

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        8 hours ago

        Do you think wealth inequality was achieved through the behaviors of the insane? These systems were purpose built to function a certain way for the benefit of certain people. It was incredibly sane, just selfish.

        Generational wealth inherited from people who benefitted from immoral systems is a fundamentally problematic system. Breaking down the logic behind it is not “sane-washing” or whatever unless it comes with opinions on the merit or fairness of the problematic elements.

        Quite the contrary, the OC did not offer any opinion on whether these things were fair or “okay”. They only fleshed out the specific logic used in the creation of these systems.

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          5 hours ago

          insanity is more sane washing

          selfish greed is more honest

          sometimes evil is more descriptive

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            5 hours ago

            You’re just saying words without meaning at this point. I’m sure it feels good to put a label on something you don’t like but you have done nothing to communicate what you actually intend in an effective way.

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              5 hours ago

              if it makes you feel better thinking that…

              if you actually care about the subject pick some actual rich family names a do a little googling

              keeping it contemporary, the less bad assholes are the zuckerfucks or bezshits

              the actual evil families are like the musks or the trumps, they don’t get the silly titles, heious fuckers

              and i have zero interest in convincing boot lickers of anything

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                5 hours ago

                The fact that you only called out the four surnames that are most visible on social media and the news says a lot about where you get your info, tbh.

                No mention of the Waltons. Or the Kochs. None of the hedge fund managers, or Blackstone leadership. Or any of the dozens of other families and organizations that have been manipulating global politics for over a hundred years.

                And the silly name-calling makes you look really immature btw. Say “fucking Zuckerberg” like an adult instead of sound-bite nicknames that put you on the same level as MAGA hate parrots.

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        12 hours ago

        where do you see such statement in the comment i reacted to? some red circles would help.

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          12 hours ago

          Does react mean reply? You replied to my comment which was

          I can’t tell if this is pro or anti capitalist tbh

          Maybe you replied to the wrong comment?

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            6 hours ago

            where did i say or agreed to that “workers deserve to be exploited”, the sentence YOU put in my mouth so you have something to disagree with? i replied to right comment and you know very well what i meant, you manipulative asshole.

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                4 hours ago

                i hope you are not going to play the game of “i did not say that, i was just asking”, because that would be pathetically lame.

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                  4 hours ago

                  ignore the disingenuous troll. The “just a question” reframe is the oldest rhetorical trick in the book. Shifting the argument to something they can easily attack instead of engaging with your actual argument is a tale as old as time.

                  I recommend you just restate the original point and reject their premise outright

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                  4 hours ago

                  Look, communication online is hard. If you want to be angry, I can’t stop you.

                  You said

                  it is a fact. facts are not pro- or anti- something, they just are.

                  To which I replied:

                  It’s true that capitalists deserve to exploit workers?

                  Which is asking if you believe this to be true.

                  The text I couldn’t tell was pro capitalism or not presents the idea that the capitalists deserve to alienate workers from their work (the exploitation), and that the worker is too stupid and prejudiced to understand his own interests. So when someone says it’s the truth, I’m wondering if they agree with it or they view it as satire or something. Because I don’t know, I ask.

                  Anyways, I hope capitalism helps you be less mad on the internet. It can’t be good for you.