Measure in blue state requires female athletes prove their sex, which critics warn could lead to ‘invasive’ genital exams

Can someone explain to me how my state got everything else right for the most part but went stupid for this one?

Literally, let’s inspect little girls privates, but not boys, because 10 trans students exist and MIGHT want to play sports with their friends? Jesus.

It was also kind of disgusting that literally all our state initiatives were funded by a 1%-er, Brian Heywood and his Let’s Go Washingtion PAC.

Edit: couple transphobes showing their colors here. Not only do they have a bad understanding of how hormones affect the body, degrading muscle mass and bone density in trans women for example, it also is just a dog whistle and avoids the real issue.

Segregating trans folk from sports is just another way to demoralize and dehumanize a small subset of the population. “If you’re not trans, you can play sports with your friends. You’re not really a girl/boy anyway.” It’s disgusting. Do we need trans drinking fountains too? It’s attempting to instill these thoughts into children. In children’s sports. Which are just kids playing together and enjoying their lives. It SHOULD NOT MATTER if a boy plays soccer with a girl or a girl plays football with a boy. Let kids be fucking kids. Ask kids after they play with each other if one of them should be excluded. The kids understand it better than the adults pushing narratives who often don’t even have children. The kids just want to play together and do a better job of being accepting in group play than these conservative, lonely incels.

  • zimy@lemmy.world
    1711·
    3 days ago

    I think a lot of the left is being willfully ignorant of other people’s viewpoints and I find it frustrating.

    1. The vast majority of people voting for this did not know all the content of the bill, “keep boys out of girls sports” is probably the most they heard about it, not the genital checking.
    2. Plenty of centrists and even right-leaning people are OK with adults doing what they want, but are still very protective of children. Limiting children from hormones is not considered a violation of trans rights for most people; rights have always been segmented by adulthood, the same way a child does not have the right to vote or join the military or get a tattoo. I think a large part of the issue is that the left (or any political ideology) is not really cohesive and is several ontologies in a trench coat; the popular rhetoric (woke version 1 as AOC calls it) from the left has been that gender is a social construct and is divorced from biological sex, if that’s the case then why do trans children need hormones to be their preferred gender? As a fellow leftist I understand everyone experiences gender and it’s relationship to society differently (euphoria vs dysphoria, etc.), but there has been a major nuance gap in public discourse which leaves many Americans feel like the left has pulled a bait and switch on them.
    3. Society has spent decades promoting girl’s and women’s sports and now feel like that’s being trampled upon by allowing biological males (who have a distinct physical advantage) dominating their space. It’d be like getting rid of weight classifications in power lifting, anyone under 6 feet would never win again and short people would be ousted out of another sport.
      • zimy@lemmy.world
        12·
        2 days ago

        Do you deny sexual dimorphic trends within our species? Are there populations of humans where females have more bone density, skeletal structural differences muscle mass, and height than males I haven’t heard about? Would you want all sports desegregated? If males aren’t distinctly different from females why even bother taking hormones to change body morphology at all?

    • TipRing@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      2 days ago

      The voter guide was pretty specific about the invasive checks. Everyone gets the guide.

      • zimy@lemmy.world
        1·
        2 days ago

        I live in Seattle I’m well aware of the voter guide, however that does not mean the average voter reads it.

    • tachikoma@lemmy.today
      21·
      2 days ago

      I think it’s worth noting that a human’s genetics chnage based on their environment.

      Saying that males have a distinct advantage is entirely too reductive for such a complex topic as human genetics and growth.

    • godsammitdam@lemmy.zipOP
      64·
      1 day ago

      Unfortunately I can’t disagree with the stupidity of people. I do wish people would look something up rather than assume as the initiative did at least say that “it would require verification of a student’s biological sex.” I guess people didn’t ask the obvious next question of “how?”

      I can disagree with the biological male advantage though as it seems you don’t understand how hormones affect a person’s body and how any possible “advantage” is nullified from bone and muscle loss. Regardless, that’s entirely besides the point given that these are children who just want to play together and.not be segregated. Soon we’ll have trans water fountains and such at this rate. I also don’t remember the last time children were weightlifting and powerlifting either.

      Proper education and understanding is one of the biggest issues in society. We’re always moving too fast as society intends, so that we’re too tired to think about things, we’ve got bills to pay, and social media primes us to make and stand behind snap judgements.

      We really didn’t circulate this ad enough.

      https://youtu.be/Gt_IZoM9KuQ

      Thankfully it should get immediately challenged at the state level based on discrimination since it only applies to girls.

      • Ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        9·
        3 days ago

        Unfortunately I can’t disagree. I do wish people would look something up rather than assume

        You can’t say that, in agreement with someone who said “by allowing biological males (who have a distinct physical advantage)”. If someone had done the former, they’d understand the latter is not a blanket statement you can throw around

        • godsammitdam@lemmy.zipOP
          1·
          1 day ago

          You’re right, thank you, I missed that all the way at the bottom. This is what I get for moving too fast.

          I agree that voters can be dumb. I definitely don’t agree that people who have muscle and bone loss due to their body changing from hormones would have any kind of biological advantage.

          Which is entirely besides the point. Children should be allowed to play with children. I also didn’t know that children were now weightlifting according to that guy. Maybe even competitively too.