Can someone explain to me how my state got everything else right for the most part but went stupid for this one?
Literally, let’s inspect little girls privates, but not boys, because 10 trans students exist and MIGHT want to play sports with their friends? Jesus.
It was also kind of disgusting that literally all our state initiatives were funded by a 1%-er, Brian Heywood and his Let’s Go Washingtion PAC.
Just change “transgirl” to “trans girl”, and “women” to “cis girl”, and you’re mostly good.
The language of oppression creeps into our speech, even when we don’t mean for it to. The way you phrased it at the end carries meaning of “trans girls aren’t real girls and real girls are better”, since you gave trans girls a different noun and gave cis girls the title of (real)women.
Then you said “there are much bigger sources of unfairness out there”, implying that to have a trans person on a cis team is unfair. The science says there is no unfairness.
I certainly wouldn’t have called the whole post transphobic, and I wouldn’t even be commenting this if I thought you actually were. But, since you seen to be genuinely interested in being an ally. There ya go.
Thanks that is helpful. I struggle with the right labels. I used cis on some other post comment and got bullied hard because I didn’t use it right. I’m trying to learn. I certainly am intending to try and be an ally. But I also have a massive dislike for propaganda. Which was really the target on my comment. Hoping that people would direct their hate at those who would use propaganda and psychology to trick well meaning people into supporting bad legislation rather than those that fell for it.
As for advantage. I think that gets complicated. From what I have read, the length of time on puberty blockers and gender affirming hormones is relevant to equalizing the physical advantage. And those aren’t required to identify as trans. So a trans women “could” have significant advantages. Especially in the school years. My kid runs in a circle with a lot of LGTBQ+ kids. And most of the trans ones don’t have their parent’s support. So they aren’t on any special medications. They also don’t happen to have any interest in sports though. But I also know the doctors tend to shy away from gender affirming hormones until 16.
So I think the advantage “can” be there. And specifically under 16, it could be a decent percent who didn’t get the support they should have when younger. That said, I generally don’t think the advantage in those age brackets is any more than kids who just physically mature early. But I don’t like to say there is there is no advantage. But that goes back to my dislike of propoganda, which is really based on a bit of an obsession with accuracy of statements. That said. I can see how my words there could be interpreted as supporting the propoganda that the advantage is significant and common. So I will try to do better.
You’re doing great.
And yes, you’re right about an advantage if the person wants to play female sports and isn’t estrogen dominant. I’m sorry I didn’t specify. The science says:
No one who has their current testosterone levels above cis female levels should be allowed to play in the women’s league. Full stop. This should apply to anyone playing in any sport after puberty begins. Even a cis woman would have a huge advantage with increased testosterone levels.
Anyone who has had testosterone and estrogen at cis female levels for 2 years, should be allowed to play in any women’s league. They have no advantage no matter how long they lived otherwise.
Sex based segregation for sports is in reality hormone based segregation. Which makes sense because hormones do dramatically affect performance. We should just call them like they are, adjust our criteria based on scientific fact, and move on with our lives.
Idgaf even if you call yourself a man and want to play with the women. If you meet the hormonal criteria (estrogen and testosterone at cis female levels for two years prior to, and the entire time you play) go ahead.
I would include even no contact sports like chess or darts. Hormones effect everything.